do you think the ps3 will suffer from the same issues as the 360?

da_mic_1530 · 11 Jul 2006 at 23:33

this isnt a sony bashing thread

but do you think we will have reports of many dead ps3's with gfx corruption and or overheating and scratched disks when the ps3 is released

with the same sort of power i think theres every chance they could suffer the same problems

your views please

badgermonkey · 11 Jul 2006 at 23:42

This is going to sound silly but i dont know, and i dont care. I have no intention of buying one until they are at what i consider to be console price (sub 200), and by then problems shhould have worked themselves out.

Also this sounds silly but i love speculation over something that is pointless speculating over, there will be absolutely nothing to back up anyones ideas in this thread for another month or two at least.

Slightly OT but i saw in this months official 360 mag them bashing the PS3. they were reasonable points, but i dont see what the problem is with the PS3 design that they described as an "evolutionary throwback". I think it looks quite nice tbh

crunchman · 11 Jul 2006 at 23:50

badgermonkey said:
This is going to sound silly but i dont know, and i dont care. I have no intention of buying one until they are at what i consider to be console price (sub 200), and by then problems shhould have worked themselves out.

Also this sounds silly but i love speculation over something that is pointless speculating over, there will be absolutely nothing to back up anyones ideas in this thread for another month or two at least.

Slightly OT but i saw in this months official 360 mag them bashing the PS3. they were reasonable points, but i dont see what the problem is with the PS3 design that they described as an "evolutionary throwback". I think it looks quite nice tbh

But you can't put anything on top of the PS3, it'll slide off. :/

It's only speculation obviously but I'd assume that the PS3 will have a similar failure rate.

Phil99 · 11 Jul 2006 at 23:50

I think Sony claim the PS3 will be 29dBA (they compared it to the slimline PS2) so if this is true they must have a half decent cooling solution/the chips don't run too hot. Either that or quiet running = hotter components = more crashes.

Impossible to tell really.

As with any new electronic product that's being mass produced I'd expect some problems with the launch consoles though.

badgermonkey · 12 Jul 2006 at 01:11

To be honest i wouldnt listen to ANY of sonys claims, just as i never listened to any of microsofts claims. The proof is in the pudding, and so rarely do they deliver what they set out promising.

Andelusion · 12 Jul 2006 at 01:13

There's no way to know, it's perfectly plausible just as there's a chance for whatever reason we won't see as many overheating/fubaring as the 360.

Psycho Ned · 12 Jul 2006 at 01:38

Impossible to tell really until they launch but I'd think they wont be much better in the failure stakes than the 360. Its new tech after all.

Rather than overheating though the big potential area for failure has to be the blu ray drives after all these are gonna be brand new technology and probably as cheap as they can make them to keep costs down so 1-2 years down the line theres every chance they might clapping out after all a lot of the original PS2's did (mine wasnt one of them I might add).

Werewolf · 12 Jul 2006 at 02:48

I would say it's likely to have as many problems as the 360, as they are both using a lot of new production parts, and possibly more because as already mentioned it's going to be using an entirely new drive mechanism in the unit, and past experience says that

1: New optical drive technologies tend to take a while to settle down and get really standardised (just look at how long it took CD and DVD to get all the bugs out).

2: Sony cutting corners/trying to hobble the drives to prevent them playing copied games etc (IIRC they "tweaked" the drives in the PS1 and PS2 to make them less able to read recordable media).

I'll personally be extremely suprised if the PS3's Blu-ray drive is as good as even the cheapest standalone unit.

Kainz · 12 Jul 2006 at 05:03

It's quite likely also that it'll have its faults.
If you look at this new console era we're entering where the technology is closer to that of a PC more then anything, then we will have increased heat output which could lead to failures.

The 360's source of heat is mainly a triple core cpu and the xenon gpu. I'd say the CELL and it's gpu engine will equally eminate a high degree of heat - so their cooling solution will have to be something special. Mind you, the PS3 is rather large so they can fit a decent solution in there.

Theres no way they can produce the ps3 on a reliable basis always, without piling even more money into manufacturing, so something has got to give in.

NokkonWud · 12 Jul 2006 at 05:21

My day one PS2 broke after 30 minutes.
My day one Xbox360 is still alive and kicking.

What problems?

Things change I've changed · 12 Jul 2006 at 07:11

NokkonWud said:
My day one PS2 broke after 30 minutes.
My day one Xbox360 is still alive and kicking.

What problems?

Same for me also, I rembember nearly punching the assistant manager in the nose b-cos he told me I had to send it back to Sony, I reframed from using viloence in the end tho and rang up the companys head office, they in turn rang up the store and told the manager to apoligise to me and change my ps2 for another one, I really enjoyed going back down to the store for my apology, he looked pretty gutted

DaveyD · 12 Jul 2006 at 07:52

Though we can't see into the future, I'd say it's very likely that we could see even more PS3s being faulty than the Xbox 360, mainly for the reasons Warewolf has said, but it's all spangly new technology, and rushing into production can lead to initial failuers etc. I hope it doesn't happen, but I doubt we'll get off lightly.

NokkonWud · 12 Jul 2006 at 07:58

Hah, I bet he did. Mine actually went back through Sony but it was only a 3 day turnaround I think.

FrankJH · 12 Jul 2006 at 09:27

It wont be that new technology though

There have been blu-ray drives on sale (in japan) for a year by the time PS3 comes out - that will have given Sony and anyone else producing the drives enough ideas to get it right

as stated above the PS3 is a lot bigger - and I would guess due to the cooling solution required and the internal psu

Sony as a company (not just as manufacturer of PS1/2) is usaully pretty good at producing parts that dont fail - unlike MS who have a history as a company of releasing unready software / hardware and allowing patches and updates to sort out any issues

Also there is a different mentality at MS ( who aim their unit at game players with added functionality) and hoping more general public will hop on board as well as apposed to Sony who always wanted this as a real home netowrk hub for everyone - ie I think we should expect more from Sony as this unit is more like a consumable where lower return tollerances have always been applicable

I am hoping that the additional 6 months they gave themselves will actually help Sony in the long run in this respect

I may be completely wrong but this is my opinion

Nismo · 12 Jul 2006 at 09:41

FrankJH said:
Sony as a company (not just as manufacturer of PS1/2) is usaully pretty good at producing parts that dont fail

Thats not strictly true, the original PS used awful quality lasers, the PS2 launch was marred with faulty units, and the PSP was similar with screen, UMD slot and button issues (in Japan at least, they ironed the problems out before it came over here - one of the main reasons the faults with the 360 are more apparant due to its close global launch).

I also know of other Sony devices that have given up the ghost sooner than expected.

I expect the same problems to hit the PS3, launching so many units all over the world just doesnt give enough time to iron out all the faults properly.

Manlove is my forte · 12 Jul 2006 at 09:46

FrankJH said:
It wont be that new technology though

There have been blu-ray drives on sale (in japan) for a year by the time PS3 comes out - that will have given Sony and anyone else producing the drives enough ideas to get it right

as stated above the PS3 is a lot bigger - and I would guess due to the cooling solution required and the internal psu

Sony as a company (not just as manufacturer of PS1/2) is usaully pretty good at producing parts that dont fail - unlike MS who have a history as a company of releasing unready software / hardware and allowing patches and updates to sort out any issues

Also there is a different mentality at MS ( who aim their unit at game players with added functionality) and hoping more general public will hop on board as well as apposed to Sony who always wanted this as a real home netowrk hub for everyone - ie I think we should expect more from Sony as this unit is more like a consumable where lower return tollerances have always been applicable

I am hoping that the additional 6 months they gave themselves will actually help Sony in the long run in this respect

I may be completely wrong but this is my opinion

Ar you saying that the PS3 is comming out next October? Cause from what I have read Blu-Ray has been pushed back until this October. :confused:

And for the record the PS2 had all the same flack the 360 had, or is it the 360 had all the flack that the PS2 had, :dunno: Either way, they reported almost exactly the same faults in early generations. Infact, it was recomended to buy a 3rd Gen PS2, beacuse Gen1 and 2 were unstable and likely to put canyons in your games, DVDs and CDs

Baine · 12 Jul 2006 at 11:52

NokkonWud said:
My day one PS2 broke after 30 minutes.
My day one Xbox360 is still alive and kicking.

What problems?

Agree still using my launch day 360 with NO PROBLEMS WHAT SO EVER.

And i have at least 4 friends that got one with me and are fine as well
in fact i dont know anyone who has had a problem with the 360

I understand that some people did and have had faultys consoles but this is normal for any new hight tech equipment

I think the vast majorty of 360 problems are caused buy idiots not using the machine properly

Example not enought ventalation,cables not conected properly etc and i think the same will come of the PS3

Phil99 · 12 Jul 2006 at 12:26

NokkonWud said:
My day one PS2 broke after 30 minutes.
My day one Xbox360 is still alive and kicking.

What problems?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17593603
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17597746
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17598181
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17593293

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17535828

My Xbox 360 is problem free 293 79.40%
My Xbox 360 has had to be replaced 76 20.60%

But remember, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with any 360s.

DaveyD · 12 Jul 2006 at 12:41

Phil99 said:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17593603
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17597746
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17598181
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17593293

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17535828

But remember, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with any 360s.

Though the 360 isn't perfect and has had its problems, that poll means nothing, and in reality it's probably more like 5% at the most of the consoles being faulty.

As said earlier, the PS2 had time in Japan to find out any realy problems with the system, meaning Euro PS2s should have had less problems.

FrankJH, though Blu-Ray drives have been out a good while now, there are plenty of other items that can go wrong as they will be relatively new compoentns probably new to mass manufacture. We'll have to wait and see with this though, as nobody can predict the future.

Phil99 · 12 Jul 2006 at 14:09

DaveyD said:
Though the 360 isn't perfect and has had its problems, that poll means nothing, and in reality it's probably more like 5% at the most of the consoles being faulty.

Point was more Nokkon sounding like he was trying to deny there are any problems whatsoever with the 360s when there are clearly overheating issues with a number of consoles that aren't down to user error (e.g. MatBlacks was very well ventilated IIRC and still went **** up)

Not trying to have a dig at the 360s as on the whole they're obviously running fine and MS sound like they're dealing very well with replacements, but there's clearly issues with a number of them.