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I had a quick scan of the FAQ but if this is against the rules I'll delete straight away.

Ok, my mate and I own a house. We're in the process of getting a load bearing wall knocked down to make the current kitchen and dining room 1 big room.
We had a builder come out and do the work. (Hands up if you can see where I'm going with this story?)
...anyway, as the work was being done I became a little suspicious. An RSJ was quoted to be fitted on paper but I see no steel coming into the house. He used a wooden beam (approx 4x3 in) to hold this 3m gap. The builder also quoted he'd use supports as he took out the wall. None were used and when I went to close my bedroom door directly above I notice a couple of cm movement has occured....cue the alarm bells.

So, next day I speak to regulations at the council and a guy came out. To cut a long story short:
1. He's not applyed for a reg's certificate which is against the law - (I have now sorted this with the council myself by the way)
2. What he has done is completly inappropriate for the job plus he's not done what he quoted to do.

So, the council are dealing with him on their side of the reg's etc but where do we stand legally? We've not paid a penny yet and we have someone else to come and fix the job properly (council gave the go ahead after taking pics for their case etc). They can be trusted and will fit an RSJ and jack the roof back to it's correct position.
Do we have to pay? Should we seek further advice?
 
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He has removed the wall though so technically we could have to pay for that.
Also, I spoke to consumer advice and they said we should have to give him a 2nd chance to fix the prob. That isn't happening tho. He's not setting foot in the house again.
 
masslac said:
I simply would not pay.

Ditto. Then wait for his next move, he may well just write the money off as i can't see him persuing you in court as he carried out the work without the proper certificate.
 
You pay a builder (Or anyone else for that matter) to do a job to a required standard, his work clearly wasn't up to standard so I certainly wouldn't pay him anything
 
sist_si said:
He has removed the wall though so technically we could have to pay for that.
Also, I spoke to consumer advice and they said we should have to give him a 2nd chance to fix the prob. That isn't happening tho. He's not setting foot in the house again.


You are correct.

You will have to pay for work already done.

You should maybe give him a second chance, thing is you can say he has proved he is incompetant and not shown the skills that is expected of a builder.

I would not bother trying to get any money off him for negligence, doubt it would be worth it.
 
Sounds like hes wondered in, knocked a wall down with out a clue what he's doing, possibley a very important wall that could have sever consequences for your house, and you want to pay him. I'd think twice :p
 
True he could....but we're angry at the fact that he has put our house and potentially our lives at risk by doing inadequate work.
 
tbh i would invite him to explain why he used a piece of 75x50mm timber to hold up a 3m opening instead of the steel, what was the RSJ a 150mm section ?
I would prolly offer to pay him for the demolition at an agreed rate, did he clear the house rubble and hire a skip ?. I'd be as worried about "jacking" the roof back up as i would be if it moved :S

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But.. the low quality of his work has caused a "shift" of the ceiling, which now needs fixing. I wouldn't pay him anything, he lied about his certifications and didn't do the job as agreed, in fact made things worse.
 
Dont give him anything, if he gets rude and shirty about it say you have spoken to someone and he was breaking the law to even start the work. He will back down if he thinks you have investigated this :)
 
sist_si said:
He has removed the wall though so technically we could have to pay for that.
Also, I spoke to consumer advice and they said we should have to give him a 2nd chance to fix the prob. That isn't happening tho. He's not setting foot in the house again.

Driving a truck through it would remove it - but I wouldn't expect to pay for it, quite the opposite infact.
 
Dr_Evil said:
But.. the low quality of his work has caused a "shift" of the ceiling, which now needs fixing. I wouldn't pay him anything, he lied about his certifications and didn't do the job as agreed, in fact made things worse.

Is it the roof or the ceiling ?
 
I personally think you shouldn't pay a penny. He has not done a single thing right (you say he demolished the wall, yet he didn't put the proper supports in when he did so).

In fact, he's made things worse - it will probably cost you more money to have the roof jacked up again and any damage (cracks) to the house to be fixed. Therefore i'd imagine your bill for the damage he caused will exceed his bill for the parts of the job he did do, hence I would refuse to pay him a penny.
 
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