Does Joey Barton deserve a 2nd chance for playing for England

Complete scum, but no reason not to pick him England don't mind having their braveheart John Terry, or wazza.

Doesn't deserve to be ahead of Lampard, Steve, Barry, Wilshire, Scotty Parker etc. In terms of quality or being a liability anyways.
 
Rotty said:
no chance, he's not good enough and even if he was his behaviour over the years should exclude him,the only person in football scummier than Diouf
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I understand that spitting is disgusting, but Barton has tried to blind someone, attacked someone blindside and continued to beat the guy when he was unconcious, attacked people in public on the street for no reason and thats just what I can remember.

He's done time, assaulted several people and stubbed a cigar out in someones eye.

Diouff is a god damned saint next to him, spitting is vile, he's a vile player, but thats it. He hasn't gone to jail nor done anything deserving of sending him to jail.

From what I recall a couple of the incidents Barton was involved in weren't punished properly and he got off on one for something ridiculous, any "normal" person having done 3 or more of the same assaults would have gotten a VERY long sentence the 3rd time.

Barton's lucky to not be in jail, he's insanely lucky to be a footballer and making a decent wage, theres absolutely nothing he can do to redeem himself while he's still up to his old tricks. I'd be sickened quite frankly if he got a England call up.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I understand that spitting is disgusting, but Barton has tried to blind someone, attacked someone blindside and continued to beat the guy when he was unconcious, attacked people in public on the street for no reason and thats just what I can remember.

He's done time, assaulted several people and stubbed a cigar out in someones eye.

Diouff is a god damned saint next to him, spitting is vile, he's a vile player, but thats it. He hasn't gone to jail nor done anything deserving of sending him to jail.

From what I recall a couple of the incidents Barton was involved in weren't punished properly and he got off on one for something ridiculous, any "normal" person having done 3 or more of the same assaults would have gotten a VERY long sentence the 3rd time.

Barton's lucky to not be in jail, he's insanely lucky to be a footballer and making a decent wage, theres absolutely nothing he can do to redeem himself while he's still up to his old tricks. I'd be sickened quite frankly if he got a England call up.
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Probably one of your only posts id agree with.

Didn't he stub that cigar out on his teamate, or did he hit them in training?
 
Purdy said:
Didn't he stub that cigar out on his teamate, or did he hit them in training?
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As far as I'm aware he did both as he stubbed out the cigar on a junior teammate and got charged with ABH on another teammate, those events were while at Man City.

//edit too slow, shouldn't have bothered checking as I was right about both cases.
 
G|mp said:
Both were team mates, he stubbed a cigar out in a youth players eye and broke the jaw of a young lad in training iirc.

Edit/ He didn't break his jaw.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/30/manchestercity.newcastleunited
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semi-pro waster said:
As far as I'm aware he did both as he stubbed out the cigar on a junior teammate and got charged with ABH on another teammate, those events were while at Man City.

//edit too slow, shouldn't have bothered checking as I was right about both cases.
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Thats ****ing disgusting, a youth player you are supposed to help out, Jesus.

The man deserves to be locked up and the key thrown away. Wish keane was still around to take him out.
 
Purdy said:
Thats ****ing disgusting, a youth player you are supposed to help out, Jesus.

The man deserves to be locked up and the key thrown away. Wish keane was still around to take him out.
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The youth player had apparently been trying to set fire to Mr Barton's shirt on a night out - it's not an excuse of course but if that's right there was a slight amount of provocation. The response was obviously disproportionate but a response couldn't have been wholly unexpected.
 
semi-pro waster said:
The youth player had apparently been trying to set fire to Mr Barton's shirt on a night out - it's not an excuse of course but if that's right there was a slight amount of provocation. The response was obviously disproportionate but a response couldn't have been wholly unexpected.
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Well, let's be honest he does a lot without being provoked, not fit to be around any other human being.
 
I think the one that pee'd me off the most was, he was in jail for the assault of the guy outside a McD's I believe, when the case for the knocking the team mate unconcious, then continuing to hit him while he was knocked out on the floor went to court.

He basically got off without another sentence, that, I just couldn't fathom in any way at all.

The guy is in jail for an assault, his 2nd/3rd one I believe, then goes to trial on another one, and he gets leniency? For a first assault and heavy provocation, maybe, but after being in jail and being done on another case and he basically got completely off for it.


Terry's a poop head and his family by all accounts are theiving scum, and more to the point morons, what idiots go shoplifting or risking jail by dealing drugs when your son makes what, 10mil a year? But all Terry's done is bang some birds, boohoo. Half the population cheats on their wives, most of them without the wives having a good idea they would. His wife married him AFTER he'd already cheated on her, so I have really very little sympathy that he did it again, she knew who he was when she married him, exactly who he was, he hasn't changed at all.

Either way, its not illegal, its not uncommon and its not particularly bad, doing it to a team mates ex, breaking the "bro code" sure, and even worse because they had a kid so really had to be involved with each other for life its an even more scummy thing to do.

But cheating, and assault, not even close. Rooney, a bum, a cheat, a low class moron, none of those things are illegal. Nothing either of them has done comes even close to what Barton has gotten up to.

More to the point again, can anyone name another person whose punched another player this year, I can't think of another one off the top of my head, though I'm sure there is a couple, but its rare, and very bad behaviour and he's STILL doing stuff like that.
 
Apparently it was an "accident" too, but we'll not let that get in the way of anything. The cigar thing that is.

Barton shouldn't play for England because he's not good enough.

English central midfielders who are better than Barton:

Lampard
Gerrard
Milner
Parker
Barry
Huddlestone
Carrick
Phil Neville
Noble
Wilshere
Rodwell
McEachran
Albrighton
Henderson
Dunn
Sidwell
A one-legged Owen Hargreaves
Paul Scholes not even playing
 
England have a history of allowing convicted criminals play and captain the country. It should come down to is Barton good enough to play for England?

I personally don't think so. I think there are better players than him that should be given a chance before he is considered.
 
Killswitch said it best imo

Personally thought what he did on the pitch a season or two ago was good enough to get him banned for life from professional football (given his history) so no he shouldnt be allowed anywhere near the national team - how ever good or bad that team is
 
Barton and Nolan are the two best English midfielders around at the moment. They're unlikely to get a look in for the national team though because they play for an unfashionable club.

Barton's problems are behind him. He still has a short temper, but that's no worse than current England players like Gerrard and Rooney.

In all of the incidents in the past he was provoked. He's not some psycho who just randomly beats the **** out of people. The problem is that when he's defending himself he goes too far.

I very much think he should be given another chance at international level. If anything it'll give the rest of the players a kick up the backside. He tries his hardest in every game he plays, and from what I've seen he won't accept teammates doing any less.
 
He's done nothing bad recently at all.
The thing with Pedersen was a complete non-incident that the media made the most of. There was about as much force in the 'punch' as there was in Kaka's elbow at the world cup. Deserved a red card, but nothing else.

Barton's biggest problem is that he's made a reputation for himself, so other players will do their best to wind him up, and any time he falls for it the media will make him out to be Hitler reincarnated.
 
KidCanary said:
He's done nothing bad recently at all.
The thing with Pedersen was a complete non-incident that the media made the most of. There was about as much force in the 'punch' as there was in Kaka's elbow at the world cup. Deserved a red card, but nothing else.

Barton's biggest problem is that he's made a reputation for himself, so other players will do their best to wind him up, and any time he falls for it the media will make him out to be Hitler reincarnated.
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Great!

He's still not good enough.
 
If you truly think that then you either know nothing about football, or haven't seen much of him recently.

I'm not saying the guy's brilliant, but at the moment he's better than most of the other English midfielders. The only one playing as well as him recently is Kevin Nolan, who should also be given a chance.
 
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