Does the XFX HD5850 1gb unlock to 5870?

[ExoMale]

picked this up not longer ago at what I've realised was at an overpriced amount as it was from a shop and miss sold it as a 2gb model, all I did was have a quick look and measure it to my 5770 so I know it will fit the case, knowing nothing about this model I just went with it, will install and see how it gets on..

Now while I may not do it if it's a pain, I did read a 5850 unlocks to 5870 performance? Would that be all over them or certain brands?

 

[Armageus]

As far as I can see it doesn't, however due to the small difference in number of shaders, overclocking it would get it to similar performance.

As per all your other threads, the question has to be why do you keep buying old second hand tat from high street shops, why not just buy something worthwhile from our members market?

 

[ExoMale]

Ah okay cheers, I'll just see how it gets on then.

As for the other question...

only decent card I've seen that I like is a 2gb palit 760 someone is selling for £65, but I don't have that much to spend and I like old tech, I never was able to afford this stuff back in it's day and from looking at spec sheets and having a quick dabble with the quad and 5770, the 5850 should be a nice little improvement and was the minimum for either anno 2205 or mortal kombat X....

now I have an i3 2120 and 6gb ddr3 ram I should have a better chance than when I had the system in my sig, while I had the chance to spend say 120-200 for a 970/bargain 980 and amd counter parts, with my Xbox one having a lot of recent games that even my haswell might have just got away with and being next to my computer I can't justify big spending, for the price of that 760 I had purchased the i3 system and the 5850, I paid £91 to build the 775 which the power supply and hdd carried over making the 1155 system cheaper, for what I am using and how often I am using the tech is fine, next will be an i5 of some kind and replace 2gb with 4gb for 8gb total.

I would rather save money to put in to ryzen 1400/1600 and a 1060 build than upgrade old tech with expensive parts, just right now don't need it.

 

[Armageus]

only decent card I've seen that I like is a 2gb palit 760 someone is selling for £65, but I don't have that much to spend and I like old tech

I picked up a 7850 and a 270X a few months ago for ~£40 each. There are cards out there sitting on people's shelves etc as spares - If you don't ask, you don't get Stick a wanted ad up for some of the older GPUs (nvidia 6xx series, amd 6xxx or 7xxx) and see what people have got - might be surprised.

 

[ExoMale]

I know there are some deals to be add hence who I can to pay £35 for my evga power supply that was brand new never opened, but I forgot to mention in my reply, while I can look at the MM I don't have online paying options and unless anyone lives in devon or around Taunton I can't collect as I don't like to order things anymore due to past issues and I look for things right now.


When I have seen graphics cards like you mentioned, I never had the money and only 270x I had which was last year cost £80 on eBay lol

 

[mattyfez]

You'll never get a good deal buying and selling at sex.
They buy low and sell high. And it's probably stolen goods anyway.

 

[Vince]

I have a 5850 here you could have had for less than a tenner. Dump it as others have said and get something worth having I only kept my ones as I used them for mining litecoin for years and they are still going strong. Save up some cash and get on the members market.

 

[ExoMale]

I’m on the market as such, but I don’t have online options for payments like that which is why I buy what I buy and someone’s more than I want to pay.

I buy a lot from cex if nothing on gumtree or Facebook shows up and usually have something to trade, I paid over the odds for the 5850 as I couldn’t trade in the 5770 as it was near closing and the fact the value for that had dropped since 2 days ago, some of their prices are not too bad, seen private sales for similar pricing, but I use that show for games etc not just for computer crap, but if faulty they returnabale, the card itself would play better than the 5770 can and is minimum for one of my games, so good budget buy.


Anyways I’ve got to take it back as they sold me a 1gb card at a 2gb price so need to get either full refund or the difference, though while I know these era of cards can get quite warm, whole bottom of my case is quite warm, the metal bit to screw hard drives to is quite warm and my hard drive sits above the rear of the card metal facing down and that’s hot to touch lol, theres no case fans, just grills.

 

[nashathedog]

I picked up a 7850 and a 270X ~£40 each.

You'd definitely be best served looking for something like these as being GCN architecture means they'll still be getting some sort of support at the driver end. A 270x is basically a 7870 while the 7850's chip was also used in the 265 and 370, I've owned the 7850 and the 265 and they do a decent job, I've also owned a 5770 & 6770, The 7850 was a nice upgrade from those and it's a much better proposition considering that the 7850 chip was still in use with the 300 series.

 

[ExoMale]

I used to have a 270x for a few months of mid last year, was good, but sold it for a change and needed money and was too busy for gaming, i only had it because it was my birthday and I treated myself to the release of the division and the missus got me the card to compliment it, ran fallout 4 horrible compared to a 1gb superclocked 560 it had replaced..... I’ve had 2 x difference versions of the Gtx 750, 1 x 750ti, I don’t want those again, keep looking at 560’s again, but I don’t want to keep having the same all the time hence these radeons, I probably should’ve took the plunge and got a gtx 570 before I even thought to sell my haswell which is a graphics card that exceeds the requirements for my games from the game-debate can you run it feature.


That’s how I usually make my component choices or least graphic cards from that site, if it looks good even if something is suggested a bottleneck, but isn’t highlighted as a fail then it’s all good, I can work round the settings, I don’t take it as gospel, just a nice indicator, not looking at it now as I need to reinstall windows, but another cex has an r7 360 up for £50, don’t know if that’s a good price, but would be more ideal than this 5850 which offers similar performance, I only really need a decent level of gaming without lots of lag or stutter, I play Xbox more.



On another note the Forrest while still a beta game, the 5770 and the q9300 played it on high @ 1920x1080 without any stutter or lag or anything, don’t know if that’s a good game to compare with, but the new system should better than greatly.

 

[Armageus]

, but another cex has an r7 360 up for £50, don’t know if that’s a good price

Not really - it's based on the 7790, and not a huge amount more powerful than a 7770 that can be had for £20-30. Even though it's a couple of "generations" newer in model number, it's still exactly the same chip (well actually slightly worst due to having less shaders and still the same power draw), and will be supported for the same length of time

For Nvidia cards, don't bother looking at 750Ti as they tend to overpriced for the performance they offer - the only cheaper NVIDIA cards are going to be older more power hungry cards like the GTX570 or GTX660, that may fall into budget (but again you may end up with the same issues as the 5850).

Curveball option - what about getting a GT1030? Although it's still ~£60 new, it's current so will be supported for a while, draws almost no power, and probably performs as well as a 7770/R7 360 or 5850.

I still stand by a 7850 at around £40 as a better option (indeed even spending £120 new on a RX560 or 1050 2GB doesn't gain you much)


As well as using game-debate or user-benchmarks etc, it's worth looking at
http://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/graphicscardcomparison

which gives a fairly reasonable idea of where cards from different generations stack up

 

[ExoMale]

I know the 360 is just an updated version of the 260, had a 260x 1gb and wasn’t overly impressed if I’m honest, but a quick look showed the 360 not much behind the 5850 for performance, just better driver support and lower power, but as for the price I wouldnt pay 50, if I returned the 5850 I would only have 15 to pay, but I think a 660 can be had for £55 from a closer store(cex only refunds voucher if not faulty), trouble is getting to themzzz

Also now I know the inside of the Veriton case, there’s only inches between the card and the hard drive that’s screwed side ways, the length of the 5850(red middle fan model) would seem the safest for trouble free.

I like the 750, my last one was an OC which at 1280x1080 with the 4160 i3 on high settings was over 50/60fps in my games, but I don’t want a 75w or less card really I want to use the 6 pins nor do I want the same card family over and over otherwise I’d just buy one.

To be honest no I haven’t thought about the 1030, the cuda cores are low, it has a 64bit interface and as far as I know they not made for gaming? Would buy a 550 if I was to ever buy New for less than £80, the specs suggest it offers more and would be just enough for what I need.


I will check out the other comparison sites if they have a can you run it feature, I find game-debate more reliable than system requirements lab which is why I use it often, usually for reviews I look for forums like this or tomshardware from google results, but as for then 7850, I know it’s a cracking overclocker, I just feel after having the 270x the predecessors will be a let down as I already had one of the replacements once.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

As far as I can see it doesn't, however due to the small difference in number of shaders, overclocking it would get it to similar performance.

As per all your other threads, the question has to be why do you keep buying old second hand tat from high street shops, why not just buy something worthwhile from our members market?

Man I loved my 5850 xfire direct CU (for the most part) Quiet and OCed like a bomb ATI/AMD at there best

 

[Armageus]

but I don’t want a 75w or less card really I want to use the 6 pins

Why does it matter - using more power doesn't necessarily make a card any better - the fact that e.g. the NVIDIA 1050Ti that doesn't need a 6 pin connector, performs equal or better to a GTX670 that needed 2x 6 pin connectors.

To be honest no I haven’t thought about the 1030, the cuda cores are low, it has a 64bit interface and as far as I know they not made for gaming?

Why does the cuda cores being low or having a 64bit memory interface matter? It's likely still faster than your 5850, has 2Gb of RAM, and is a current product so will be supported and have less issues (as well as still having a reasonable resell price for a while to come). The fact that it consumes only 30w, so will require next to power or cooling.

"Not made for gaming?" - maybe not, but it still has the same Pascal cores as it's bigger brothers, and uses the same drivers - no reason why it's not suitable for what you need, especially if it compares favourably to the the older cards you are looking at.

Would buy a 550 if I was to ever buy New for less than £80, the specs suggest it offers more and would be just enough for what I need.

The RX550 is absolutely terrible value for money - £20 more gets you a RX560 with double the shaders, and so around double the performance.

 

[ExoMale]

Why does it matter - using more power doesn't necessarily make a card any better - the fact that e.g. the NVIDIA 1050Ti that doesn't need a 6 pin connector, performs equal or better to a GTX670 that needed 2x 6 pin connectors.
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I’ll answer this one for the moment...

I don’t personally want to just waste good power supplies like this one and like I did with my seasonic on graphic cards that would run off 350w meaning spending more then I needed to on a power supply, also some that require extra power also overclocks better from what I have always read, I want power not just efficiency.


Edit:

The cores matter because they are part of the perfoemance which usually higher the number means better graphically, the interface matters because it determines how the memory performance is utilised, I have experienced 64bit, 128bit and 256bit and I do notice the difference, but what does the 1030 having 2gb matter? Can it actually use it? While I looked at an Asus in lins shop earlier, it was OC edition and looked nice, but I couldn’t justify the costs even if I had the money, again I don’t want a 30w card, I want something that will actually be good for gaming, I can’t imagine the 1030 being better than a 550ti and a 250x is only a hd7000 series rebrand and offer more for less price now, but neither would run the games I want well enough really, I haven’t even installed my games yet for the 5850.

I don’t care for offical DX12, won’t be playing anything or using anything that requires it, fair enough keeping up to date drivers is a good thing, just not going to spend money just for that, my Radeon performs similar as you apparently put it to the 1030 and cost me less than half the price, just a legacy.

 

[ExoMale]

The RX550 is absolutely terrible value for money - £20 more gets you a RX560 with double the shaders, and so around double the performance.

Don’t quite understand this? You say the 560 is better because it basically has double the shaders, but you implied about cuda core count not mattering? If I’m not mistaken the shader count for amd is what cuda count is to nvidia so with that said why would the 550 be terrible? If I buy New I’m not spending over £100, I don’t need all the bells and whistles, just medium to high with 45-60fps like I was playing with before.

 

[iB CoMpL3XiTy]

The 1030 isn't a great gaming card, no idea if it's better than a 5850 but discarding it as an option partly because it only uses 30W is totally bizarre, it would run very cool and quiet, so basically you want a power hungry card to justify your PSU purchase?

Try not to get hung up on the specifics of a card (bandwidth, interface, core count ETC..), instead look at the overall performance (by checking out reviews). Seems to me you want a big boy card even if it's outdated.

 

[arc@css]

The 1030 isn't a great gaming card, no idea if it's better than a 5850

It is faster, but not by much ~10/20%.

 

[ExoMale]

not so much as being power hungry or 'big boy' but would like a powerful gaming card for cheap and also like i said above, ive read overclocking is better on extra power required cards due to that power increase, if i can get a really good slot only powered card then fine, but i dont want no more 750 models, not going to shell £65 plus on anything like a 1030, rather buy a 660 or 760 something like that for same price or less that regardless of needing extra power are still better gaming cards than the 1030 types plus a rx 460/560 not much more to buy..

nothing under the 10 series or RX series offer what i would like that doesnt require 6 pin minimum which is why im focused on it, the 750ti was considered the best, but my one lasted less than the non ti versions because it wasnt playing the division well enough and didnt really notice enough difference over the normal 750, even a 260x was poor, i get bored of the same parts though hence why i chose this old radeon, all this talking and browsing i havent even played a game yet lol



edit:

as for getting hung up on those criteria specs, every time i look on this site or read reviews whether its professionals or other forums about graphic cards, those categories seem to be high on the conversation regardless of my own experiences when it comes to comparisons, mean why would a 1080ti need over 300bit interface if apparently 64bit is enough?

 

[iB CoMpL3XiTy]

Haha, yeah we'd all love a powerful gaming card for cheap! Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, performance is relative, previous high end cards become mid range and then low end, they're less efficient and no longer have driver support or the latest features, plus no warranty usually.

I love overclocking, wouldn't matter what card I had I'd still overclock it, however overclocking a low end card is like polishing a turd, it's still a turd.

What I mean by getting hung up on specifics is that it's inconsequential, if the bus is 32 or 512bit who cares aslong as the performance is there( that's an extreme example but you get the jist) people on forums talk about it because they're enthusiasts and want to show the world their epeen, for the average gamer all that matters is frame rates.
As for the 1080Ti needing over 300bit bus, well it's a ultra high end card designed with 4k gaming with high settings, it has specs specifically for that purpose, the 1030 has specs to suit it's requirements as a htpc/media card perhaps with some light gaming.

What has the 5850 got, is it 256 bit? And many more cores but still slower than a 1030, that's generations of architecture improvements. Performance is king.