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Does the XFX HD5850 1gb unlock to 5870?

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picked this up not longer ago at what I've realised was at an overpriced amount as it was from a shop and miss sold it as a 2gb model, all I did was have a quick look and measure it to my 5770 so I know it will fit the case, knowing nothing about this model I just went with it, will install and see how it gets on..

Now while I may not do it if it's a pain, I did read a 5850 unlocks to 5870 performance? Would that be all over them or certain brands?
 
Ah okay cheers, I'll just see how it gets on then.

As for the other question...

only decent card I've seen that I like is a 2gb palit 760 someone is selling for £65, but I don't have that much to spend and I like old tech, I never was able to afford this stuff back in it's day and from looking at spec sheets and having a quick dabble with the quad and 5770, the 5850 should be a nice little improvement and was the minimum for either anno 2205 or mortal kombat X....

now I have an i3 2120 and 6gb ddr3 ram I should have a better chance than when I had the system in my sig, while I had the chance to spend say 120-200 for a 970/bargain 980 and amd counter parts, with my Xbox one having a lot of recent games that even my haswell might have just got away with and being next to my computer I can't justify big spending, for the price of that 760 I had purchased the i3 system and the 5850, I paid £91 to build the 775 which the power supply and hdd carried over making the 1155 system cheaper, for what I am using and how often I am using the tech is fine, next will be an i5 of some kind and replace 2gb with 4gb for 8gb total.

I would rather save money to put in to ryzen 1400/1600 and a 1060 build than upgrade old tech with expensive parts, just right now don't need it.
 
I know there are some deals to be add hence who I can to pay £35 for my evga power supply that was brand new never opened, but I forgot to mention in my reply, while I can look at the MM I don't have online paying options and unless anyone lives in devon or around Taunton I can't collect as I don't like to order things anymore due to past issues and I look for things right now.


When I have seen graphics cards like you mentioned, I never had the money and only 270x I had which was last year cost £80 on eBay lol
 
I’m on the market as such, but I don’t have online options for payments like that which is why I buy what I buy and someone’s more than I want to pay.

I buy a lot from cex if nothing on gumtree or Facebook shows up and usually have something to trade, I paid over the odds for the 5850 as I couldn’t trade in the 5770 as it was near closing and the fact the value for that had dropped since 2 days ago, some of their prices are not too bad, seen private sales for similar pricing, but I use that show for games etc not just for computer crap, but if faulty they returnabale, the card itself would play better than the 5770 can and is minimum for one of my games, so good budget buy.


Anyways I’ve got to take it back as they sold me a 1gb card at a 2gb price so need to get either full refund or the difference, though while I know these era of cards can get quite warm, whole bottom of my case is quite warm, the metal bit to screw hard drives to is quite warm and my hard drive sits above the rear of the card metal facing down and that’s hot to touch lol, theres no case fans, just grills.
 
I used to have a 270x for a few months of mid last year, was good, but sold it for a change and needed money and was too busy for gaming, i only had it because it was my birthday and I treated myself to the release of the division and the missus got me the card to compliment it, ran fallout 4 horrible compared to a 1gb superclocked 560 it had replaced..... I’ve had 2 x difference versions of the Gtx 750, 1 x 750ti, I don’t want those again, keep looking at 560’s again, but I don’t want to keep having the same all the time hence these radeons, I probably should’ve took the plunge and got a gtx 570 before I even thought to sell my haswell which is a graphics card that exceeds the requirements for my games from the game-debate can you run it feature.


That’s how I usually make my component choices or least graphic cards from that site, if it looks good even if something is suggested a bottleneck, but isn’t highlighted as a fail then it’s all good, I can work round the settings, I don’t take it as gospel, just a nice indicator, not looking at it now as I need to reinstall windows, but another cex has an r7 360 up for £50, don’t know if that’s a good price, but would be more ideal than this 5850 which offers similar performance, I only really need a decent level of gaming without lots of lag or stutter, I play Xbox more.



On another note the Forrest while still a beta game, the 5770 and the q9300 played it on high @ 1920x1080 without any stutter or lag or anything, don’t know if that’s a good game to compare with, but the new system should better than greatly.
 
I know the 360 is just an updated version of the 260, had a 260x 1gb and wasn’t overly impressed if I’m honest, but a quick look showed the 360 not much behind the 5850 for performance, just better driver support and lower power, but as for the price I wouldnt pay 50, if I returned the 5850 I would only have 15 to pay, but I think a 660 can be had for £55 from a closer store(cex only refunds voucher if not faulty), trouble is getting to themzzz

Also now I know the inside of the Veriton case, there’s only inches between the card and the hard drive that’s screwed side ways, the length of the 5850(red middle fan model) would seem the safest for trouble free.

I like the 750, my last one was an OC which at 1280x1080 with the 4160 i3 on high settings was over 50/60fps in my games, but I don’t want a 75w or less card really I want to use the 6 pins nor do I want the same card family over and over otherwise I’d just buy one.

To be honest no I haven’t thought about the 1030, the cuda cores are low, it has a 64bit interface and as far as I know they not made for gaming? Would buy a 550 if I was to ever buy New for less than £80, the specs suggest it offers more and would be just enough for what I need.


I will check out the other comparison sites if they have a can you run it feature, I find game-debate more reliable than system requirements lab which is why I use it often, usually for reviews I look for forums like this or tomshardware from google results, but as for then 7850, I know it’s a cracking overclocker, I just feel after having the 270x the predecessors will be a let down as I already had one of the replacements once.
 
Why does it matter - using more power doesn't necessarily make a card any better - the fact that e.g. the NVIDIA 1050Ti that doesn't need a 6 pin connector, performs equal or better to a GTX670 that needed 2x 6 pin connectors.
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I’ll answer this one for the moment...

I don’t personally want to just waste good power supplies like this one and like I did with my seasonic on graphic cards that would run off 350w meaning spending more then I needed to on a power supply, also some that require extra power also overclocks better from what I have always read, I want power not just efficiency.


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The cores matter because they are part of the perfoemance which usually higher the number means better graphically, the interface matters because it determines how the memory performance is utilised, I have experienced 64bit, 128bit and 256bit and I do notice the difference, but what does the 1030 having 2gb matter? Can it actually use it? While I looked at an Asus in lins shop earlier, it was OC edition and looked nice, but I couldn’t justify the costs even if I had the money, again I don’t want a 30w card, I want something that will actually be good for gaming, I can’t imagine the 1030 being better than a 550ti and a 250x is only a hd7000 series rebrand and offer more for less price now, but neither would run the games I want well enough really, I haven’t even installed my games yet for the 5850.

I don’t care for offical DX12, won’t be playing anything or using anything that requires it, fair enough keeping up to date drivers is a good thing, just not going to spend money just for that, my Radeon performs similar as you apparently put it to the 1030 and cost me less than half the price, just a legacy.
 
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The RX550 is absolutely terrible value for money - £20 more gets you a RX560 with double the shaders, and so around double the performance.

Don’t quite understand this? You say the 560 is better because it basically has double the shaders, but you implied about cuda core count not mattering? If I’m not mistaken the shader count for amd is what cuda count is to nvidia so with that said why would the 550 be terrible? If I buy New I’m not spending over £100, I don’t need all the bells and whistles, just medium to high with 45-60fps like I was playing with before.
 
not so much as being power hungry or 'big boy' but would like a powerful gaming card for cheap and also like i said above, ive read overclocking is better on extra power required cards due to that power increase, if i can get a really good slot only powered card then fine, but i dont want no more 750 models, not going to shell £65 plus on anything like a 1030, rather buy a 660 or 760 something like that for same price or less that regardless of needing extra power are still better gaming cards than the 1030 types plus a rx 460/560 not much more to buy..

nothing under the 10 series or RX series offer what i would like that doesnt require 6 pin minimum which is why im focused on it, the 750ti was considered the best, but my one lasted less than the non ti versions because it wasnt playing the division well enough and didnt really notice enough difference over the normal 750, even a 260x was poor, i get bored of the same parts though hence why i chose this old radeon, all this talking and browsing i havent even played a game yet lol



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as for getting hung up on those criteria specs, every time i look on this site or read reviews whether its professionals or other forums about graphic cards, those categories seem to be high on the conversation regardless of my own experiences when it comes to comparisons, mean why would a 1080ti need over 300bit interface if apparently 64bit is enough?
 
Is the 7770 ghz edition 1gb a much better graphics card? I know it’s 2 generations newer, but doesn’t always mean better.

Reason I ask is someone who was selling a 970 I missed on is also selling that 7770 aswell, it has a plain ghost cooler(guess that’s original?) and is up for £20
 
Oh and haven’t read all your reply above, but for the going against advise is down to a simple of what’s available around me for collection as I don’t and some cases can’t buy online even private sales nor do I always have the money for such things, I buy for right now unless it can only be ordered, I don’t regret all my purchases, I’m just a part time worker at the minute so make the most of what I can.

Someone who selling the 7770 has an asrock H81M-HDS for £20, but they have a G3220 for £45 which I feel is too much and is only a dual core, nothing like what my i3 was and I would have to sell my veriton with my supernova to fund a better system which I don’t really want to do as it’s a quality psu
 
Haha, yeah we'd all love a powerful gaming card for cheap! Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, performance is relative, previous high end cards become mid range and then low end, they're less efficient and no longer have driver support or the latest features, plus no warranty usually.

I love overclocking, wouldn't matter what card I had I'd still overclock it, however overclocking a low end card is like polishing a turd, it's still a turd.

What I mean by getting hung up on specifics is that it's inconsequential, if the bus is 32 or 512bit who cares aslong as the performance is there( that's an extreme example but you get the jist) people on forums talk about it because they're enthusiasts and want to show the world their epeen, for the average gamer all that matters is frame rates.
As for the 1080Ti needing over 300bit bus, well it's a ultra high end card designed with 4k gaming with high settings, it has specs specifically for that purpose, the 1030 has specs to suit it's requirements as a htpc/media card perhaps with some light gaming.

What has the 5850 got, is it 256 bit? And many more cores but still slower than a 1030, that's generations of architecture improvements. Performance is king.

1. what cards do you class as a turd? i didnt buy this radeon to try max things out, it just about plays the division decently, but plays anno 2205 better than the 5770 did, recently installed rbs6, but not tried it yet, i paid a tenner more than i shouldve, but it wasnt a bad choice, havent tried to overclock it yet.

2. i know the powerful for cheap isnt always possible, but it depends what your after on those terms, i dont look to expect 970 performance from something that cost like £20, i look at game specs and hope to be powerful enough to play the games well at 1080

3. im am the average gamer, but i dont get too hung up on fps, i like to know the figure to mention it in conversations or selling points and to generally to see what the number is to compare between card purchases, my system averaged 25fps on the division benchmark on low @ fullscreen 1080 lol, not like that in actual game though, its lower.

4. yeah it has a 256bit, i found that on the 270x i had before to make a difference over a 128bit 750/750ti/560 superclocked/260x despite it being the only 2gb card ive owned, but i have also had 64bit cards that felt slower than 128bit even at the same none gaming tasks, the 1030 may well be considered an upgrade if you guys are right, i just still wouldnt feel happy spending £65 on one when i could get a more powerful card that is fit for gaming whether its new generation or older generation and after the above with how my system runs the division, i wouldnt be wanting a 'just abit faster' card.


theres nothing wrong with me playing @ 1280x768 which is where i did very well with my haswell i3 and oc edition 750 regardless of 16gb ram, but the swap between res for game and window can be annoying and sometimes cause issues as its only more modern somewhat demanding games id need lower res for currently.


in the catalyst theres an Overdrive option that adjust the settings, is that just amd alternative to afterburner as both max the same figure? which if so i guess it means this card cant unlock to 5870?
 
Not much point in changing from a HD5850 to a HD7770, though if its a 2GB model and you can sell your 5850 for close to £20 then it's probably worth it. Otherwise just save up what you can and buy something you're going to be happy with.

its a 1gb model? i know 1gb to 1gb isnt looking like a point, but while the 7770 is still old, wouldnt it offer more performance overall than my 5850 and not quite be at the legacy driver stage? i seemed to have found a better driver from amd site than i could use for the 5770, for that i had to hunt google.

oh and im not unhappy with the 5850, i shouldve got one of these weeks ago before i found the 5770 locally, that card didnt do near as good as id have liked even for its age, but then i suppose the 5850 was chose for anno 2205 or mortal kombat X minimum for a reason.
 
Having more VRAM means you can use higher quality textures - even "older" games have settings that can make use of it. 2GB has been mainstream since around 2012.


You have to get out of this mindset - power usage has nothing to do with performance. A 75Watt 1050Ti that has no power connector absolutely crushes your 5850. Newer high end cards draw less that older high end cards - the market is only going one way, manufacturers face pressure to reduce power consumption, both from environmental legislation, but also financial e.g. to reuse products across various markets e.g. desktop, laptop, mobile, games consoles.


I didn't say that cuda core count didn't matter at all. The fact is though that a 384 core Geforce 1030 performs better than a 8 year old 1440 core Radeon 5850. The reasons why I've touched on above - faster clock speed, architecture improvements, memory compression, more VRAM.

The issue with the Radeon RX550 vs RX560 is that if you are spending £80 on a 550, it is worth spending the extra £20 to get double the performance from a 560. An RX550 isn't much quicker than a GT1030, but the Geforce range doesn't suffer so much as the pricing is better spread out - the 1030 is £60, and a 1050 that is likely double the performance is £110 or so.





What is there to get bored of? Graphics Cards aren't Pokemon - you haven't got to catch them all?

Surely it's as simple as:
is it fast enough? no
can I afford/justify something better? yes/no

Most of us have to settle for whatever we can afford. The "best" graphics card I have in my house is a 270X - is it fast enough? probably not. Can I justify anything better? No - as the low-mid range new cards haven't really moved on from what I have, and I can't justify spending £100 on a 5 year old card that does.

not sure if a reply i made via my phone to the first part ive removed from the quote(too big too respond to these particular mentions) got through, but if it didnt then it was basically me saying if i go against any advise i get given for purchases as such then its because i buy for right now if i can, i dont have an option to buy online more so for private sales, had too many issues from the bay for that nor do i always have the money, but when i have the cash i look for places within 50 miles that i can collect if the price is good or go to 2nd hand shop unless its a new item of course because i need/want the item that day or the next, there was a nice gtx 970 mini on gum yesterday for £70 but it was sold within half hour.


now on to the other bits of your quote..


1. i know how important vram plays a part, a 2gb 270x used 1.7gb in the division for my use before, my systems usually have a lot of video memory to share so 1gb not always that bad, BF4 and FO4 used under 1.1gb of my 270x, star wars never even touched 1.2, i play on high settings where possible and dont use any fancy settlings like gameworks or whatever, but what i meant by my comment was from people saying for example a gt 640 4gb or something(even a 270x 4gb i think i read about) is too weak to use that memory so its more of a marketing thing, im not saying the 1030 is using that for a gimmick, i was genuinely asking if those 1030's are actually strong enough for the memory it offers.

2. i dont know why you compared it to a game, but when i know how a piece of tech works, if i have the option to try something different then i would prefer to do it, like ive said, in more than a year i have had 3 or 4 gtx 750's one of them being a TI, i know what to expect from it, but its like settling for the safe option as a result, there are loads of graphic cards ive never got to own that are still capable to an extent, so want to experience them so long the prices are not stupid.

3. you quote 'most of us have to settle for what we can afford' which is exactly the whole point of all my purchases, if i could throw down £500 or even £200 whenever i felt like it i would have a much better system than my haswell ever was, all in all for everything ive purchase for the 2 old systems i own over the last 2-3 weeks i have spent roughly £166 (having an hdd with the first computer was a bonus but i already have a few same goes for windows)), that wouldve got me roughly some okay APU and certainly not the psu i have, granted the 775 is meant to sell to make back the cost of the acer, but still, there was nothing for that money worth buying nor was it spent in on setting.



also what do you class as fast enough? im not too bothered as such for fps, but if i can get 45-60fps on high preset @ fullscreen 1920x1080 then its fast enough for me as the gameplay is nice and smooth, not exactly something the 5850 can do, but i knew that anyways, i dont have a g-synce/freesync more than 60hz screen nor am i bothered about either so i dont have to push much.
 
Take a look at some reviews, the 7770 trades blows with the 5850, depends on the game(s) and settings, not much in it in terms of performance. It is obviously newer and it uses less power and will in turn run cooler, up to you whether you think it's worth changing.

thats fair point, only seen the odd reviews, mainly if you got a 430w psu get the 7770 lol, mean its only £20, but if its not going to offer enough then might aswell get something better or something from nvidia maybe.
 
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