Dual Shock 3 ?

[rp2000]

yes, you are. as ive said before, you dont see it happening with any other electronics. But because these people here are enthusiasts, they seem to think its perfectly normal.

actually, i think that description better fits you than it does Nokkon lol

You didn't see the same thing with the DS and DS Lite when it was released first in Japan? Or with the original PSP? (Both electronic items), DS fixed flaws in previous models, didn't affect sales and both versions co existed fine in the DS case for some time.

Enthusiasts pay for these things when they come out early, I don't see what the problem is. Like the other guy mentioned, it is not flawed enough to stop you enjoying games.

You could argue only enthusiasts bought a PS3 early when everyone knew the price would drop and "different" versions would be available at a later date with different functionality?

Whether it is flawed or not is down to personal taste which is what people are getting confused with. The dead zones bother some people more than others, that much is clear. To me it is almost akin to people preferring D-pad designs on different branded controllers, some work better for some games and some don't.


rp200

Edit: Just out of curiousity are the people in this thread who are annoyed by the "flaws" going to be buying the new model? ( myself will be getting one, but more for the rumble than the analog sticks which I can honestly say haven;t affected me in any specific PS3 games. (Although I appreciate this may not be obvious until a scenario can be pointed out specifically where they impact play in a particular title).

 

[andshrew]

Okay. If it's not flawed, why are they fixing the 'flaw' with the sticks?

I don't know, ask them why their changing it? What I was getting at was for it to be flawed it would have to fail at doing what it was desinged to do, which it doesn't.

Please, pull your head out your ass and see that fact.

Why do you have to resort to talking to me like this when you don't get your own way?

 

[james.miller]

You didn't see the same thing with the DS and DS Lite when it was released first in Japan? Or with the original PSP? (Both electronic items), DS fixed flaws in previous models, didn't affect sales and both versions co existed fine in the DS case for some time.

Enthusiasts pay for these things when they come out early, I don't see what the problem is. Like the other guy mentioned, it is not flawed enough to stop you enjoying games.

You could argue only enthusiasts bought a PS3 early when everyone knew *** price would drop and "different" versions would be available at a later date with different functionality?

Whether it is flawed or not is down to personal taste which is what people are getting confused with, imo.


rp200

no, look outside the box. it doesnt happen with amplifiers, tvs, car stereos, washing machines, dvd players, toasters...whatever. it only happens in the consoel and pc market and the reason is simple...people are silly enough to pay the extra, and retailers know it.

just look at the onkyo tx-sr905 - rare as rocking horse poop, yet they are still on sale for RRP.

 

[rp2000]

no, look outside the box. it doesnt happen with amplifiers, tvs, car stereos, washing machines, dvd players, toasters...whatever. it only happens in the consoel and pc market and the reason is simple...people are silly enough to pay the extra, and retailers know it.

just look at the onkyo tx-sr905 - rare as rocking horse poop, yet they are still on sale for RRP.

I think we will have to agree to differ on this. With some consumer electronics it happens (LCD refreshes each year often iron out "flaws" in last years models, as do DVD players, often have a slighlty "improved" model the following year). Washing machines, toasters etc fair enough.

I agree it shouldn't happen, but I don't think it is worth jumping into threads where people who can afford to are happy to be early adopters and accept "flaws" and chastise them for this (which seems to be where this thread is heading).

I was actually going to use your amp as a counter example as I recall me balking when you told me about it on MSN and how it still retains its high RRP even after a couple of years (?). But I don't expect a very specialist AMP from a top brand to release products with frequent refreshes in mind, as is the case in cheaper consumer electronic items,.


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[james.miller]

cheaper amps are the same. i only used that as an example because its in such short supply, as there werent any issues with the 875/805 i think your making a different point about the updated consumer electronics - they still arent sold well above RRP but they can of course be introduced at a price point above that of the model they are replacing

I agree it shouldn't happen, but I don't think it is worth jumping into threads where people who can afford to are happy to be early adopters and accept "flaws" and chastise them for this (which seems to be where this thread is heading).

oh i agree. ive no problem with people want to pay more. its just that people think this is the norm through the industry - it really isnt.

 

[rp2000]

cheaper amps are the same. i only used that as an example because its in such short supply, as there werent any issues with the 875/805 i think your making a different point about the updated consumer electronics - they still arent sold well above RRP but they can of course be introduced at a price point above that of the model they are replacing



oh i agree. ive no problem with people want to pay more. its just that people think this is the norm through the industry - it really isnt.

Yes, my point was that maybe Sixaxis is say £35 rrp, DS3 will be slightly higher initially (£5) (or the same and sixaxis will drop). At the moment it is just the acutioneers and the asian stores who have get supply that are bumping up their prices (like the Wii saga atm)

It is always the norm in any industry that when there is shortage unscrupulous people will charge a bit more (becuase of increased demand) and some people for whom money is not the overriding factor will pay it.

I think people are fully aware that the price they are paying has been artificially inflated by retailers.


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[NokkonWud]

I don't know, ask them why their changing it? What I was getting at was for it to be flawed it would have to fail at doing what it was desinged to do, which it doesn't.

Wrong. Fails and flaws are 2 different things. It doesn't fail, but it does have a flaw.

Why do you have to resort to talking to me like this when you don't get your own way?

Because you're being stupid.

 

[andshrew]

Because you're being stupid.

So because my opinion on the matter differs to yours I'm stupid? I would have expected a better attitude from someone who is an Underboss to be honest.

Whether the dead zones of the sticks are 'flawed' or not ultimately remains a matter of a opinion, just because they are making adjustments to them doesnt mean they are flawed by default. The existing sticks are pefectly adequate and therfore you can't call them outwright flawed. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue. However as mentioned above it is all about the rumble being readded and I doubt, outside of a few on internet forums, anyone will even care that the sticks have been tweaked slightly.

 

[nero120]

Wrong. Fails and flaws are 2 different things. It doesn't fail, but it does have a flaw.


Because you're being stupid.

I have to agree with andshrew here. Whether or not you think the pad has a flaw is a matter of opinion, and your arrogant and overbearing posting style is quickly become tiresome - I'd have expected more from an underboss.

What exactly are you trying to achieve? Convince everyone here that your ridiculous crusade against all things ps3 is justified? I couldn't care less what you think. If you feel the need to post your opinions then fine, but don't start slagging another member off just because they don't agree with you.

Now if I RTM your post will it go to you?...

 

[Baxtor]

Are you guys really that insecure about your choice of consoles that you have to come into every thread about PS3's and put it down in some way?
And Nokkun I would expect better from you, your 1st post in this thread can only be described as trolling, you even admit this yourself by saying "lol, I knew I'd get a rise" now if thats not trolling I don't know what is?

Seriously guys this thread was to discuss the DS3, no-one mentioned the 360 or in any way slagged it off, yet still you came...
You have now successfully turned another thread into a flame war, congratulations.. nice job.

 

[james.miller]

So because my opinion on the matter differs to yours I'm stupid? I would have expected a better attitude from someone who is an Underboss to be honest..

its not about opinion! a flaw does not mean it doesnt work!

Flaw 1 (flô)
n.
1. An imperfection, often concealed, that impairs soundness: a flaw in the crystal that caused it to shatter. See Synonyms at blemish.
2. A defect or shortcoming in something intangible: They share the character flaw of arrogance.
3. A defect in a legal document that can render it invalid.
tr. & intr.v. flawed, flaw·ing, flaws
To make or become defective.

this isnt about opinion, its about your misunderstanding of the word flaw.

you even admit this yourself by saying "lol, I knew I'd get a rise" now if thats not trolling I don't know what is?

i read that as 'i knew people are going to take this the wrong way'.

Whether the dead zones of the sticks are 'flawed' or not ultimately remains a matter of a opinion, just because they are making adjustments to them doesnt mean they are flawed by default. The existing sticks are pefectly adequate and therfore you can't call them outwright flawed. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue. However as mentioned above it is all about the rumble being readded and I doubt, outside of a few on internet forums, anyone will even care that the sticks have been tweaked slightly.

i disagree, since the pads' i've used see to vary to some degree, i wouldnt say they are supposed to be like that at all.

 

[NokkonWud]

You can call it trolling or whatever, but it's not. Everything I pointed out is factually correct.

The point is people ARE willing to pay a lot of money for a little improvement. Guess what.. I will too.

Seriously, only james.miller seems to understand where I'm coming from and I'm surprised. I expected more from some people here.

I didn't call him stupid because his 'opinion' was different, I pointed out that the flaw of the deadzones is a FACT, not opinion and he still refused to accept it even Sony have admitted it. I said long before Sony announced as much that the deadzone was poor and was very annoying, many people have complained about it. It's nice to see Sony acknowledging the flaws of its products and fixing them, unfortunately it's going to cost the public a lot of money for stuff that should have been there in the first place.

Good for Sony though I guess. However I'm willing to wait til they are available here.

 

[[TW]Fox]

A vibrating control pad? This PS3 is cutting edge isnt it?

 

[andshrew]

I didn't call him stupid because his 'opinion' was different, I pointed out that the flaw of the deadzones is a FACT, not opinion and he still refused to accept it even Sony have admitted it. I said long before Sony announced as much that the deadzone was poor and was very annoying, many people have complained about it. It's nice to see Sony acknowledging the flaws of its products and fixing them, unfortunately it's going to cost the public a lot of money for stuff that should have been there in the first place.

Lets put this to rest then, please kindly post a link to a press release or a transcript of an invterview where Sony has admitted to having messed up the deadzone on the controller because so far all you have posted in this thread is a very vocal opinion that you do not like the way the Playstation analogue sticks behave.

I'm not refusing to accept anything, I'm quite happy to accept your claims of FACT if you actually back it up (why could you not have mentioned this in the first place serveral posts ago?) The fact that Sony is tweaking aspects of the controller is not them admitting the orignal was flawed, all devices that go through several revisions are often tweaked but it doesn't mean the earlier versions become flawed by default.

 

[KNiVES]

A vibrating control pad? This PS3 is cutting edge isnt it?

The 'last-gen' comment by Sony long ago was an attempt to save face I think - saying it was out to begin with because of a copyright infringement case is far less glamorous I'm happy about the deadzone fix.

 

[msmalls74]

I always thought that the "deadzone" on the analogue pads was partially down to the fact that both the sticks are push buttons, i thought it was designed so that if you pressed the buttons down at a slight angle then you wouldnt move. Its not much of a problem to me and if Sony want to improve on it well thats good, but ive never had a problem, maybe as im aware of it. I got my DS3 on order for about £32 ish (including the $5 discount) So i wouldnt think its over priced at all infact i bet it will be cheaper than the DS3 will be when released in the UK. One thing i think is good is that Sony have confirmed that the DS3 is compatable with all PS2 games with vibrate, I know quite a few people had asked previously.

 

[msmalls74]

Just though Id check up on my DS3 order and its now on the plane!! I forgot I changed my order to express a while back and it could be here by thursday!

 

[JKD]

Be sure to let us know what it's like when it comes!

I need a new controller soon so I think I'll need to google one up as there's no way I'm waiting until Uk release.

 

[Ol!ver]

Nokkon, why do you keep entering PS3 threads to try and start arguments?

 

[Inoshishi]

w00t! My Dual Shock 3 has shipped also, though msmalls74 should get his before me, as I opted for the free postage.