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End of the Age of Oil

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by LabR@t, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. LabR@t

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/datablog/2009/nov/10/energy-statistics-oil-coal



    The deniers can scoff but the world its tittering on the edge of a major turning point in our history.

    End of the Age of Oil or death of Oil Man

    Oil is omnipresent in everything we do and use,its in the computer screen you are viewing, used in the food you eat, the way you power you home, the medication you take. Face it Oil is everywhere.

    If you view population and oil production you can see a direct correlation

    No hotlinking!


    and interesting book on oil the collapse of the american empire link

    raises some good points on how the usa is not going to sit idle and watch the oil disappear, you can't run tanks and cruise missiles on wind power!

    I can see the USA destabilizing Saudi Arabia to control the biggest oil reserves


    The drive by our government to go green to purely to try to encourage us to use less oil, in recession you less oil, green taxes to encourage less usage.
     
  2. cheets64

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    Plenty still left but will just force people to think and act to alternate power sources, the major thing high price of oil will hit is transport, when it costs you £3 for litre you will think twice about driving to work or driving to the shop up the road.

    Its going to run out "one day" we dont know how much is under ground.
     
  3. Radiation

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    Many things humans are doing or using is unsustainable, for better or worse, it could act as the driving mechanism for change or decline of civilisation, possibly a good thing or not.
     
  4. Rice Fiend

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    Isn't it premature to be using the term 'peak oil', when massive deposites of oil equating to billions worth in barrels, are continually discovered year in year out?
     
  5. muon

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    What does peak oil even mean? Peak oil existed when we started first using it.

    If its rates of extraction, we can have peak rate of extraction the year before it finishes.
     
  6. Amp34

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    TBH that graph shows nothing, all it shows is the technological advances and the increase in oil (mainly due to tech advances and demand) as the population grows, neither of which are really important. What do you think the direct correlation mean?

    As for the question, i've been thinking about this for a while. I intend to start work in the oil industry as soon as possible so don't want to have done 20 years and find out my career is at a dead end. I'm still trying to work out if pay and jobs will increase or decrease with a decrease in oil (due to more exploration and the fact the oil will probably be in harder to reach places).

    Anyway I think we still have a very long way before we run out of oil, remembering that at the moment we are at a partial transition from older fashioned oil fueled everything to renewable electricity generation and in the near future hydrogen and electric cars. This should mean the demand for oil will decrease slightly even if the population increases.
     
  7. miniyazz

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    That's not a direct correlation, and as said, correlation does not imply causation. Especially since most of that growth is in third-world countries with minimal oil usage anyway.
     
  8. LabR@t

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    it shows is the technological advances made possible by oil! Fertilizers to increase crop production to feed the increased population, medication advances, the plastics that without how many of the advances would have happend? cpu? no! wind power tech? no, mobile phones? no

    globalisation wouldn't have happened on the scale it has, sailing would still be the only way to travel the world.
    well you get the point.

    yes there is more oil to be discovered but oil that is easy to get at or of the same high quality it will become to expensive to extract the lower/harder to reach oil and i expect there will still be some oil in the ground when still when mass extraction stops. There will be some kind of confrontation over the oil under the north pole ice cap at some point in the future with USA/Canada/Russia/Norway? already laying claims to it. 40% of the oil reserves are sitting under Saudi , 10-15% under Iraq. A recommend reading the book I mentioned above it does drift off to the 911 saga a little but makes some interesting analysis of the behavior of the USA past and present and how its motivated by oil.
     
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  9. LabR@t

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    peak oil is when there is more oil being used than discovered hence the peak and supplies will now run down until its to expensive to extract.

    No hotlinking!

    http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
     
  10. LabR@t

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    source

    Its going to happen but they are hardly going to be shouting about from the roof tops are they.
     
  11. LabR@t

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    http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
     
  12. LabR@t

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    Did you notice the announcement to build(fast track) the nuclear reactors the other day?

    UK: It’s Peak Gas we need to worry about, not Peak Oil…http://www.energybulletin.net/node/14058

    They(government) are waking up to the size of the problem and have now realized that there isn't as much oil in the Caspian basin(Afghanistan) or Iraq and the public is losing the stomach for the fight so invading Iran is not a pretty option for them at the moment.
     
  13. LabR@t

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  14. Glaucus

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    yep, but that doesn't artificially rise prices and scare people. As well as the new techniques of extracting oil from various resources that just aren't tapped at the moment. No more than scaremongering. Change is already happening.

    Hydrogen and fuel cells are coming on in leaps and bounds, loads of new nuclear power plants being designed and built. Fusion research, Japan planning to launch first solar power station in space. Talks of High voltage cross continental power grids. Local energy production be pushed more and more by government. Houses and good ever increasing in efficiency and laws stating energy uses has to be displayed on such products.

    The change will ahppen well before we run out of oil.
     
  15. LabR@t

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    http://www.energybulletin.net/node/2311
    Ok we can replace oil as an energy but what about its other uses? plastics etc

    And nuclear is not going to last forever perhaps we can delaying the energy problem but what is the answer?
     
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  16. Glaucus

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    You can still use oil. You can use plants and you can use synthetics. you can recycle and and you can change to another material.

    Oil wont suddenly run out. And the parts of oil used for plastic is not the same as parts used for fuel.

    You can also mine He3 on the moon vast reserves of nuclear power for ages.
    It's not going to be a one size fits all. Our dependency on oil will be solved by using 10's or 100's of different methods.
     
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  17. LabR@t

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    How do you propose we fuel these rockets ships to the moon? We haven't been to the moon for 40 years(man).


    http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/indepth/30679

     
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  18. Glaucus

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    Fuel liquid hydrogen and oxygen . and we are going back there before 2020. You can also use a rail gun. You don't need huge quantities. Also fast breather reactors would extend that 10-20 years by many many times They use hardly any fuel and can also use waste from current generation nuclear plants as fuel.
     
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  19. starfighter

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    lol
     
  20. Nzyme

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    With enough energy we can make oil.

    Nuclear Fusion is the answer !