England flag 'can provoke racism'

basmic · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:36

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AJUK · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:39

It is racist, against the English! I am getting annoyed with these fools now.

I think the link should be removed because it clearly shows a picture of a penis, disguised as Clive Wolfendale, on the page.

Luseac · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:41

Alyn and Deeside Mark Tami said the remarks were not helpful and risk creating a problem "that isn't actually there".

He said he does not believe that tension between English and Welsh fans exists in north Wales.

Clwyd West MP David Jones said Mr Wolfendale's comments were "laughable".

He added: "I think it's pretty innocuous (for fans) to display their flag from the little flagpoles on their cars if they want to do that.

"I can't believe that the people of Wales are so intolerant of a few English football fans that they would be incited to violence - I think he's completely barking up the wrong tree.

"Frankly, flying a little flag on your way to Colwyn Bay for the day is, I don't think, going to spark any violence - I think he's completely misguided."

Tend to agree tbh.

Phil99 · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:42

England fans flying the cross of St George on their cars could antagonise Welsh fans, according to the deputy chief constable of North Wales Police.

If it was being done intentionally to **** off the Welsh I could understand it, but what on earth's wrong with supporting your country :confused:

What's the point of having a flag if you aren't allowed to display it?

Freefaller · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:42

What a complete farce. For those that live in England what's the harm in flying the St George's cross? A bit of patriotism isn't a bad thing is it? Personally I think it's usually the somewhat more crass members of society that fly those flags on their cars, as they take football to an almost religious seriousness. But hanging a flag from your window or something is perfectly fine isn't it? Why shouldn't it be? What's the difference to that and wearing an england shirt?

Heck in the US people of all creeds fly the US flag with pride on their houses. It's refreshing to see a united sense of belonging.

If it is done deliberately to antagonise neighbours or neighbourhoods or specific group of people then I think it is a bit OTT. However just flying the flag to show what team your supporting isn't a badf thing is it?

I think people are just using anything they can as an excuse for antagonism and xenophobia.

Only an idiot would think of it as a racist attack.

Spacky · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:44

*Burns the St George flag in response to this thread*#

American flag is the same as the Great Britain flag (represents the Unity of the nation), St George is a regional flag representing region...yah? Thus representing seperation?

merlin · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:48

I've been really pleasantly suprised lately - seeing a massive amount of england flags on cars in Bham driven by young asians.

Really can't tell you what a good sight that is to see.

England flag provoking racism? What an absolute joke.

Freefaller · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:49

Spacky said:
*Burns the St George flag in response to this thread*#

American flag is the same as the Great Britain flag, St George is a regional flag.

No it's the flag of England. Though I agree we are the United Kingdom and that's what I feel about the country, I mean Great Britain is all it's countries, I don't say I'm from England I say I'm from the UK - but then again I feel British and not English so maybe it's easier for me to differentiate.

I see a lot of cars with the Welsh flag/Dragon thing, and Scottish cars with the Scottish flag - so they are going out of their way to isolate and differentiate themselves. Why can't the English do it too without any fuss?

Spacky · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:51

Freefaller said:
No it's the flag of England. Though I agree we are the United Kingdom and that's what I feel about the country, I mean Great Britain is all it's countries, I don't say I'm from England I say I'm from the UK - but then again I feel British and not English so maybe it's easier for me to differentiate.

I see a lot of cars with the Welsh flag/Dragon thing, and Scottish cars with the Scottish flag - so they are going out of their way to isolate and differentiate themselves. Why can't the English do it too without any fuss?

Maybe because footie is linked with violence when English fans go to matches etc...its probably woven intricately into that.

daz · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:53

At a lot of England games in the past that you see footage of on TV, you see lots more Union Jacks around rather than St. George's Crosses. I wonder when the changeover occurred?

Freefaller · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:53

Spacky said:
Maybe because footie is linked with violence when English fans go to matches etc...its probably woven intricately into that.

That is probably true

It's a shame that England has got such a bad reputation for that. Football's crap anyway

That's why Rugby's so much better!

AJUK · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:54

Spacky said:
*Burns the St George flag in response to this thread*#

American flag is the same as the Great Britain flag (represents the Unity of the nation), St George is a regional flag representing region...yah? Thus representing seperation?

No, the Cross of St George is the flag of England, just as the Welsh and Scottish flags represent their countries. Politically we are unified under the Union Flag.

ArmyofHarmony · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:54

THis news is like 2 years old,

its not racist, im sure the people that are suppost to feel offended by the flag don't even exist... people high up just assume they are offended, hence creating this view.

Spacky · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:54

Freefaller said:
That's why Rugby's so much better!

Fot the win

A much more matcho sport imo no nancy fooite fouling going on

PS I am supporting England as I have to, I drew them in the works sweep stakes

Stelly · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:54

My parents are from north wales I was there untill I was 16 most people from where I was from were scousers anyway

Stelly

Spacky · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:55

Stelly said:
My parents are from north wales I was there untill I was 16 most people from where I was from were scousers anyway

Stelly

Liverpudlians are taught they own the northern part of the uk this is not true

Tommy B · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:55

Oh ffs everything is racist these days; from England flags to hot crossed buns.

Mr.Orb · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:55

This is stupid! There is nothing stoping Welsh fans flying the Welsh flag! TBH, I won't care if they did fly their flag.

Spacky · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:57

Please remove if people find this racist :rolleyes:

Geiriau Cymraeg

Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi,
Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri;
Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mad,
Tros ryddid gollasant eu gwaed.

Cytgan:

Gwlad, gwlad, pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad.
Tra mor yn fur i'r bur hoff bau,
O bydded i'r hen iaith barhau.
Hen Gymru fynyddig, paradwys y bardd,

Pob dyffryn, pob clogwyn i'm golwg sydd hardd;
Trwy deimlad gwladgarol, mor swynol yw si
Ei nentydd, afonydd, i mi.
Os treisiodd y gelyn fy ngwlad tan ei droed,
Mae hen iaith y Cymry mor fyw ag erioed,
Ni luddiwyd yr awen gan erchyll law brad.
Na thelyn berseiniol fy ngwlad.

New rule no chanting your national athem either, actually we are taking all your rights away

Freefaller · 8 Jun 2006 at 10:58

Spacky said:
Fot the win

A much more matcho sport imo no nancy fooite fouling going on

PS I am supporting England as I have to, I drew them in the works sweep stakes

The thing is I've been to rugby matches where england were playing, wales, france, new zealand (not all at once of course

). And we sat in mixed seats, there were some kiwis behind us - we were giving them abuse (banter) and so were they, but then one of us got up to get some drinks and asked the kiwis if they wanted a drink. It's all fun and lots of camaraderie - they are there for the game, not for getting petty "1 up" on another nation as if it's the most pivotal of interntional politics.

It does seem people do look for any excuse to have a go at each other