Caporegime
Yes.
Go see a doctor if you're at that point.
Go see a doctor if you're at that point.
Ever thought of comiting suicde?
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I have done once or twice when I was in school.
Btw it was a genuine question not a "ORLY?"
I think that's just a strange state of mind to be in. No matter how ***** you think you have it, someone, somewhere in the world is being bludgeoned to death/raped/burned alive.
Chin up eh?
You won't understand it until you've been there then. It isn't esoteric in the slightest, but if you honestly think that argument gets through to someone on the verge of suicide, then you really don't understand that frame of mind at all.
Suicide is a completely normal response to an abnormal situation whereby a person has completely run out of available coping mechanisms which is why it's so important for them to get help at this point. Their personal pain is so high, they effectively have a cognitive tunnel-vision and thus trying to compare their pain to the hardships of some poor sod in the Third World isn't going to make a blind bit of difference, you are only saying to them "You're not allowed to feel this." and invalidating their emotions.
How is someone supposed to do that when they've got nothing left to dig into? What if they've completely reached their personal limit and then they have some insensitive asshat shouting that at them? Telling people to man up aggressively will help work on some, for those truly at the end it is only liable to push them over. Don't be such a fool.
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Btw it was a genuine question not a "ORLY?"
I think that's just a strange state of mind to be in. No matter how ***** you think you have it, someone, somewhere in the world is being bludgeoned to death/raped/burned alive.
Chin up eh?
I have been there and the fact people have it much worse is of no consolidation, in fact it probably pushes you down more as you feel guilty for feeling this way.
It was and i think forever will be the scariest day of my life, its impossible to explain but when you decide (and i mean decide) it was like all my worrys were gone, a strange happy trance that morning. If i didn't get a phone call I really do not think I would be here today.
You won't understand it until you've been there then. It isn't exoteric in the slightest, but if you honestly think that argument gets through to someone on the verge of suicide, then you really don't understand that frame of mind at all.
Suicide is a completely normal response to an abnormal situation whereby a person has completely run out of available coping mechanisms which is why it's so important for them to get help at this point. Their personal pain is so high, they effectively have a cognitive tunnel-vision and thus trying to compare their pain to the hardships of some poor sod in the Third World isn't going to make a blind bit of difference, you are only saying to them "You're not allowed to feel this." and invalidating their emotions.
How is someone supposed to do that when they've got nothing left to dig into? What if they've completely reached their personal limit and then they have some insensitive asshat shouting that at them? Telling people to man up aggressively will help work on some, for those truly at the end it is only liable to push them over. Don't be such a fool.
Mate, I have been their, no hope, family problems and I am here now and I look back and think wtf, it was nothing, time is a healer.
The human brain is a powerful thing, so when its not working properly it needs help, could be from drugs or just time to think but at the end of the day you have to look at yourself and think "this is it" either get help or die, I am sure their are a lot of people in the world would jump in the place of you.
Dont roll your eyes at me, I have had enough crap in my life to understand what life is about.
Soldato
I think everyone has at one point some admit it some its a deep dark secret, I ll admit on a public fourm I have, a long time ago...But I deemed it very unnesscery to do so, even if you are right on your limit, its not the way. killing yourself doing what you love however is different, its just fate, but thats a totaly different subject.
If you are at your limit, and are consdering killing youselfs, to be fair, that is quite selffish, I say that becasue what about the people around you, who care for you, so young had potensial to be someone, yet you threw it away. It seems a waste. Also to the poont it could drive someone else to do the same. Likewise I ve only throught about it not consdered, when you do consider you are pretty much on you limit and on your knees and should get help, there is help out there, ethoir freinds, family or professional.
remember Romeo and juliet? that sort of thing.
it depends how strong the indervidial is, but if one is consdering, they are weak.
If you are at your limit, and are consdering killing youselfs, to be fair, that is quite selffish, I say that becasue what about the people around you, who care for you, so young had potensial to be someone, yet you threw it away. It seems a waste. Also to the poont it could drive someone else to do the same. Likewise I ve only throught about it not consdered, when you do consider you are pretty much on you limit and on your knees and should get help, there is help out there, ethoir freinds, family or professional.
remember Romeo and juliet? that sort of thing.
it depends how strong the indervidial is, but if one is consdering, they are weak.
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Soldato
I have never ever contemplated the idea, ever.
You should speak to your doctor immediately and he'll point you in the right direction. Think of all great things later in life pal.. If you are having it rough now, doesn't mean it's going to stay that way. Go see your doctor right away and if it takes too long for an appointment speak to a member of your family and tell them what you are feeling.
You should speak to your doctor immediately and he'll point you in the right direction. Think of all great things later in life pal.. If you are having it rough now, doesn't mean it's going to stay that way. Go see your doctor right away and if it takes too long for an appointment speak to a member of your family and tell them what you are feeling.
Caporegime
you ask about gay friends then about suicide? are you worried about coming out as gay or something?
I'll roll my eyes when you talk crap. You may have been there, so yes that means I will take your opinion with a little more weight, but I'm telling you: telling people to man up when they're at that point in time is not the right thing to do. It will only excerbate the problem. If they're not at the very end of their rope, then they have coping mechanisms to fall back on and it may be that small external motivation which helps them come around. Don't make the mistake of shouting it at someone standing on a car-park ready to jump though.
Yes the brain is a powerful thing, but I disagree strongly at the implication that their brain may be working wrong. Depression is in itself a coping mechanism, albeit one based on a societal response. The problem is not the invidual here, it's society and culture itself; but that's another topic in itself.
Once someone has managed to overcome that dark period then yes, the best thing for them is time and a lot of encouragement, even if that encouragement means shouting at them to sort it out. For some, they never get over it, they don't get help and they die. For others, they don't get help but they're too afraid to commit to the finality and they live. For those in the latter camp, it is important not to give them any motivational cues to overcome their cowardice. Lines such as "Man the **** up." will be taken negatively and potentially make the individual twist the line into "I'll show you." and commiting to the finality.
Soldato
Yes, it is selfish in that regard, but don't start stigmatising suicides because of it.
An individual is most certainly not weak if they are considering suicide. As I said, its a completely normal response to abnormal situations whereby coping mechanisms have failed or the person has nothing left to cling to as a crutch. It could happen to anyone, so stop being so elitist. Some of the strongest people I know are those who you think are weak and they're strong for reasons you cannot possibly comprehend.
Suicide is about as selfish as euthanasia. It's akin to a victim of torture finally giving in and begging for their right to die to end the misery. The only difference being, the torture is all psychological.
Their family, their friends, the poor train driver that has to live with it are a few examples.
Soldato
Thought about it, but never really considered it. My life isn't perfect, but I don't believe in an afterlife and I don't see the point in 'ending it all'. There's so much out there, so many people to meet, places to see, things to do - no matter how bad it gets, I don't understand how people can take their lives. There was also a case of 2 girls who committed suicide by jumping in front of a train a while ago, really couldn't bring myself to understand how they had got to the point where they would rather face death than live, especially at that age too, when they had so much in front of them.
Suicide is a sad subject
Suicide is a sad subject
Soldato
I didn't mean weak as in that sense, weak as in they won't ask for help/support..which is vital in that state as you rightly pointed out they don't have a safty net anymore.
But its the individuals choice, they made the decision, its your life at the end of the day. You can choose to live or end it if you wanted.
Man of Honour
I suppose in that aspect it kind of is selfish upon the person who has no choice but to technically murder somebody. They teach train drivers for example to shut their eyes and scream as loud as they can if they spot somebody in front of them; the sound/imagery otherwise remembered can sometimes be a cause for ptsd.
It is selfish I suppose as well for parents in particular. There's an old saying that a father should never have to bury his son...
However as Nix has already pointed out it's all about coping mechanisms. Anybody can over use theirs such that over time they become ineffective, allowing the person to build up apparently and trivially insignificant things beyond his/her breaking point.
Also ironically enough suicide itself could be viewed as a coping mechanism. I guess in a weird way it is - a definitive way to end psychological torture.