Ever thought of comiting suicde?

AMG said:
I didn't mean weak as in that sense, weak as in they won't ask for help/support..which is vital in that state as you rightly pointed out they don't have a safty net anymore.
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I still don't think 'weak' is the word you're looking for then. Some people may not seek help due to pride or such reasons and will happily shoulder the burden alone. That doesn't make them weak. It makes them perhaps misguided or naive, but certainly not weak.
 
uknowist said:
But its the individuals choice, they made the decision, its your life at the end of the day. You can choose to live or end it if you wanted.
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There is a difference between being selfish and knowing what the word means and im a little worried you haven't quite grasped it yet.

Being selfish is thinking of yourself above others. Just because you are in charge of a decision does not mean that you are incapable of being selfish.

Suicide is a selfish act in some ways but I would be a little surprised if anyone who was seriously at the end of their tether would just stop because someone told them they were being selfish.

Its worse when you make someone like a train driver live with the trauma of your death but you probably are not thinking straight if you are contemplating suicide.

Everyone has the dark thoughts but usually just leave it at that.
 
Nix said:
I still don't think 'weak' is the word you're looking for then. Some people may not seek help due to pride or such reasons and will happily shoulder the burden alone. That doesn't make them weak. It makes them perhaps misguided or naive, but certainly not weak.
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that is a brave thing in one way, but its also thier demise or (weakness) in my eyes

we all have our stregths and weakness...having a lot of pride could be onces undoing...

for example I love challanges that could be seen as my weakness.

at teh end of the day it is YOUR right to think of yourself before others, however selfishness is blindly not consdering the effect on others. but im sure selfishness isnt the word I m looking for here.
 
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Nix said:
Yes, it is selfish in that regard, but don't start stigmatising suicides because of it.

An individual is most certainly not weak if they are considering suicide. As I said, its a completely normal response to abnormal situations whereby coping mechanisms have failed or the person has nothing left to cling to as a crutch. It could happen to anyone, so stop being so elitist. Some of the strongest people I know are those who you think are weak and they're strong for reasons you cannot possibly comprehend.

Suicide is about as selfish as euthanasia. It's akin to a victim of torture finally giving in and begging for their right to die to end the misery. The only difference being, the torture is all psychological.
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You seem like you have been their, on the edge? No pun intended.

Its rare to see people kill themselves, I don't know anyone close that has or even heard of any local that has.

99% of the time its a cry for help/need, to understand what life is and to get support from people around them, its easier to no admit you have a problem and takes a drunk rage or flip out to admit to yourself you need help.
 
cheets64 said:
You seem like you have been their, on the edge? No pun intended.
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At the edge, no. I came close enough to understand though.

Its rare to see people kill themselves, I don't know anyone close that has or even heard of any local that has.

99% of the time its a cry for help/need, to understand what life is and to get support from people around them, its easier to no admit you have a problem and takes a drunk rage or flip out to admit to yourself you need help.
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Agreed, which is why I said the problem is cultural, not individual, and which is why stigmatising suicides in any shape or form is so dangerous. People need to understand it for what it is and show some empathy and understanding. People get aggressive towards the idea of suicide because they're afraid of what they don't understand. They're afraid that that individual could've been them. They're concerned that such a thing could happen and enter into cognitive dissonance where they can justify it without effecting their world-view. Their aggression towards suicides is a self-defence mechanism born from self-preservation.
 
Some suicidal people think they are being selfish by just living, taking up space, resources, time and cause others grief.

So telling them that ending it is selfish is pointless. Just saying.
 
Ko0lHaNDLuKe said:
I wouldn't say that "most people would just laugh." Suicide is never funny, no matter who the individual is...
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I think that the popularity of videos of people being injured or killed indicates that you are wrong. You can find many thousands of them listed as humour all over the net. It's normal to laugh at other people suffering or dying. The general lack of empathy bothers me, but I appear to be a weirdo in that respect.

To the OP: Yes, I have. It's a glaring sign that you need some help, but it's often difficult to see the obvious when you're in it. I saw a doctor, had drugs and therapy.
 
uknowist said:
I dont get why people consider it so selfish, you have control over your own demise by going through with it?
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It involves others, especially when you make them personally involved in your dying.

Imagine, for example, you're driving a train that kills someone. Right in front of your face. While you're driving it. While you're responsible for that train.

Or, even worse, a lorry. You'll hear the impact more and may get some splatter on your windscreen...and always afterwards you'll wonder if maybe you could have avoided hitting them somehow, maybe you could have spotted them soon enough. Even if you know you couldn't, it's going to eat at you.

So yes, suicide can be very selfish. Downright nasty in some cases.
 
I did when i was depressed saying that i still do sometimes life is pants and ofc life is what you make it pap :P

work makes me depressed then hard to find another job id be good at so one big loop.

But been off work since dec09 so going to be refreshed by the time i go back
 
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twentyone said:
Some suicidal people think they are being selfish by just living, taking up space, resources, time and cause others grief.

So telling them that ending it is selfish is pointless. Just saying.
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This is exactly why my uncle commited suicide. He had an incurable tumor that would lead to a particular form of dementia. As he was a radiologist he knew exactly what was in store for him, but more importantly, exactly what was in store for his family. He had no desire to burdern them with what he would become. He didn't want them to have to spend so much of their lives looking after him.

So suicide isn't always done for selfish reasons.
 
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