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Far right terror is the "fastest growing" threat to the UK

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by VincentHanna, Jan 18, 2019.

  1. VincentHanna

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  2. Zefan

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    I believe that the reason for this perceived growth in terrorist acts "linked to far-right groups and white supremacists" is in part due to the definition of such groups becoming ridiculously overblown in recent years, and also due to the way they've changed reporting/classification of incidents. The article even states itself that how they define "terrorism" has changed:

     
  3. mmj_uk

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    Not only that but anything to the right of communist/socialist collectivist ideology seems to get called far right these days and democracy (ie. what the majority of people actually expect their governments to do) is condescendingly called populism. It's no wonder our representatives no longer represent. Then when some unstable nutjob loses it because they've lost everything and voting doesn't make one bit of difference anymore they call it far right terror.
     
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  4. StriderX

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    How can it be overblown... the intelligence agencies aren't going to just sit back now when every time a terrorist gets through, they were known about and disregarded.

    They're rightly becoming hyper-sensitive. If they don't ready themselves with the available information, and a far-right nutjob blows something up, drives their car at people or whatever, you'd be criticising them for not acting.

    Can't have both ways, if it is typical for a far-right terrorist to adhere to certain websites, certain material, certain tabloids, repeat phrases in particular manner, then they should rightly make note and find out the correct logic of a far-right terrorist so they can appropriately have eyes' on.

    You've read a passage that says exactly the opposite of what you're implying, they've ignored it so far as everyone assumed it was just standard behaviour with little violent intent, well it's becoming violent so they can't sit on their ass while it develops into cells. These people have likely been failed by their environment and like i usually say with islamists, there is an educational/social solution, but whatever let's just ignore it - we can all be shocked when hundreds of people are dead, wont be long until we have our own Breivik, especially considering he planned it IN LONDON.
     
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  5. ianh

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    The term "fastest growing" is not a useful metric for deciding which threats need more manpower, it's virtually worthless -

    My mate had 99 cars last year and now he has 100, that's a 1% growth - Meh that's not really any growth but it's a load of cars.
    Last year I had 1 car, this year I have 2 that's 100% growth in a year - OMG that's the "fastest growing" amount of cars, yet it's only 2 cars.

    Thats why terms like "fastest growing" means absolutely nothing.

    However it does show that while "far right" terrorism is increasing in the number of plots which is very worrying, its still massively far behind Jihadi plots, which were 146% more popular than "Far Right" plots. I know which one I want more man-power attached too if I had a finite pool of people available to police this.

    Even Basu himself said that while its' the "fastest growing" the actual numbers are are tiny compared to radical Islamic terror plots.

    "Speaking at a briefing on Thursday, Mr Basu said about 10% of around 800 live terror investigations were linked to right-wing extremism."

    So 10% of live investigations - thats 720 Jihadi investigations vs 80 Far Right - again, one of these requires more manpower than the others.
     
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  6. Nasher

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    The "far right" are a minority targeting a minority. So most people don't really care.
     
  7. cheesyboy

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    Although, as per the BBC article linked by @VincentHanna above, 7 of the last 22 foiled terror plots (spread over the last 18 months) have been far right terror. That's nearly 1/3rd of actual plots, which suggests that it has grown hugely recently if it remains only 10% of the caseload (presumably much of that caseload is for more mature investigations: There's a long tail on these things).
     
  8. Nasher

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    Or are they just labeling more plotters as far right?

    A bit like when they reclassified poverty, to make it look like poverty was on the decline.
     
  9. cheesyboy

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    7 out of the last 22 seems a lot regardless of any growth stats, no?
     
  10. silvagti

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    .. So 2/3rds of terrorists aren't "far-right"? Shouldn't we be more worried about where the majority of terrorist incidents are coming from.

    Though I suspect pointing out which group the majority of terrorists are part of would likely see you labelled "far-right" these days.... ;)
     
  11. ianh

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    15 out of 22 sounds like a more worrying number, like its 146% more than 7 out of 22 - again, both need resources but one needs more than the other by a long way.
     
  12. Dis86

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    A point I made a long time ago!
     
  13. Angilion

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    And it's still only 10% of the caseload. So either the recent run is an anomaly chosen for a desired headline or the right-wing terrorists take far less resources to foil per plot than the islamic terrorists. Which might be true - they'd have far less support, training and infrastructure so it wouldn't be surprising if they were far less competent.

    Or maybe there hasn't been an increase in terrorist plots at all, just a redefining of what "far right" means.

    Without details we're not going to have, there's no way of telling.
     
  14. StriderX

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    Just pull that wide wool blanket over your eyes, done nothing but brandish anyone who wanted to have a serious conversation about islamism and the root causes as some heathen who should just come around to the violent reactionaries that want to serve their own justice, but lets just ignore and wish it away when it's about white supremacy/nationalism.

    When you're you put your hand near the fire, don't then jump in for fear of being exposed for potentially having similar views. I've wondered about this for awhile, how much does being called something, make someone want to characterise themselves as that which they've been accused, just to blame it on the accuser? That it's somehow their fault for calling someone out, "look what you've made me do".

    As i said, ignore it if you want, but it's not going away and it's getting louder, the more people defend it as some difference in reporting, flat out not trusting the services, making excuses rather than trying to actually to figure out why people are willing to destroy their lives, the more emboldened the terrorists will become... I guess it was only a matter of time before knowing what Muslims who want no part in the extremities feel about what they could have done about it. Clearly very little point in discussing this for now, inevitability will resolve that.

    So when the inevitable "wasn't me" or "not in my name" comes...
     
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  15. vanillaface

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    Far right terror?
    So, people who love capitalism and small government are going around killing people?
    I think not.
     
  16. vanillaface

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    There's no such thing as "Islamism". There isn't even a word for it in Arabic.

    The reason for the invention of that word is to fool people into thinking that Islam and violence-in-the-name-of-Islam are two separate things.

    If you were to read the Qur'an, hadiths and sira, then you'll see that violence is at the heart of Islam.
     
  17. Sutters

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    just a narrative to counter all the wahabi stuff sent over from suadi.
     
  18. Terminal_Boy

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    “Far right” would appear to include anyone to the right of Lenin these days.
     
  19. Freakbro

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    And conversely "Far left" would appear to include anyone to the left of Goebbels these days, leaving us centrists rather bereft of our position and being shouted at by both sides.
     
  20. Terminal_Boy

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    Sadly, that is also a common point of view. Sucks to be a classical liberal these days as everyone hates you.