Focus RS -Would you? And which colour

AgentSm1th · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:31

Janesy B said:
I would possibly say the Focus RS would hand the Mustangs ass to it on a plate on British B-Roads unless the Mustang has extensive suspension improvement. You can't compare the two, one is a Yank tank and the other is a European Hot Hatch, I can assure you not many people have shortlists with the same two cars on. As awesome as I think the Mustang is.

Agreed the Focus RS is designed for British B-Roads and as such it will hand most cars its ass on a plate, the RS can even stay close to a GTR through tight twisties on struggles on straights. Still though were talking new Scoob or EVO money here, they corner quicker than an RS, go quicker in a straightline, use similar amount of fuel and cost the same to run so why buy an RS?

Gaygle · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:32

jellybeard999 said:
I know if I was given the option and going to spend the £25k on a new ST+tuning or RS, I'd always have the nagging that I could have had an RS You can always tune the RS too remember

I agree. But what happens if someone told you that you could have a 2 year old ST for £13k+ tuning? I'm guessing the decision becomes a lot easier...

jellybeard999 · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:34

Gaygle said:
I agree. But what happens if someone told you that you could have a 2 year old ST for £13k+ tuning? I'm guessing the decision becomes a lot easier...

Yes, as I mentioned earlier (or hinted at), the only way I'd do it is if I got an older ST and spent nowhere near £20k tbh. I thought he was after brand new though?

The second car route must be very tempting at this budget is it not? Get both a heart and a head choice. That really flawed car you've always yearned for in your teens?

AgentSm1th · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:35

Gaygle said:
Sorry to get in the way of your crusade, but i never compared to them to the RS for running costs. I was merely stating a fact of these types of cars.

Oh and high powered, 4WD, road-going-rally-cars easy on their tyres? lol ok.

Oh and no, the new Focus RS does not have Brembo's, or even 4 pot brakes.

Oh and Evo's of old used to love eating clutches for breakfast. Not sure if that's changed - can't see it changing massively? (Gaijin, that's your cue )

So you think a FWD 300BHP motor will be easy on it fronts tyres? lol ok.

An EVO X will generally get 12-15k out of each tyre, as long as you don't use the factory fit ones they tend to only last 6-8k per tyre.

Still my point is an EVO or Scoob is going to be no more expensive on brakes than an RS?

The new EVO seems to do quite well on its clutch, check MLR forums, guys on there putting plenty of miles on cars and even modded ones without issue.

Gaygle · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:42

AgentSm1th said:
So you think a FWD 300BHP motor will be easy on it fronts tyres? lol ok.

I never said that. But replacing 2 tyres at a time is a lot cheaper (around 50% in fact) than replacing all 4 tyres.

AgentSm1th said:
An EVO X will generally get 12-15k out of each tyre, as long as you don't use the factory fit ones they tend to only last 6-8k per tyre.

I'll need someone to verify, but 15k for a set of tyres on an Evo seems very good going? I'd be expecting them to be done at around 10k.

AgentSm1th said:
Still my point is an EVO or Scoob is going to be no more expensive on brakes than an RS?

Your whole post is based around you thinking i was comparing an RS to Evo and Scooby running costs - I WASN'T. I agree, running costs are going to be pretty much the same between an Evo/Impreza/RS - i was simply telling the OP to expect high running costs from ALL of the cars i listed.

AgentSm1th said:
The new EVO seems to do quite well on its clutch, check MLR forums, guys on there putting plenty of miles on cars and even modded ones without issue.

Yeah, MrLOL was running a modded high powered car and it's clutch was fine - until the day that it broke. Notice how he hasn't got "VXR" written in his sig anymore... take a guess why...

Fr0dders · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:43

AgentSm1th said:
Still my point is an EVO or Scoob is going to be no more expensive on brakes than an RS?

The new EVO seems to do quite well on its clutch, check MLR forums, guys on there putting plenty of miles on cars and even modded ones without issue.

exactly

The RS and evo x / scooby sti will have broadly very similar running costs.

If he can afford to run a brand new RS, he can afford to run an scooby / evo.

Gaygle · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:46

http://pistonheads.com/classifieds/1029457.htm

**** the RS/Evo/Impreza - :eek:

WANT.

cm1179 · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:47

250+bhp in a fwd car?
seriously, how does it get the power down. ok so i'll probably get accused of focus bashing here again but why would you develop such an engine to put it in a fwd car? lsd thingymajob sorts this does it?

Fr0dders · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:49

edit nevermind.

The car i just linked to isnt the supercharged one.

Gaygle · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:53

WTF double post.

MikeHiow · 9 Mar 2010 at 21:57

Right, so we've now gone from a special hot hatch, to a completely ****ing ridiculous LHD Mustang?

I've said it many times before, it is completely fruitless comparing new for second hand. You can also slate those for buying new cars, but if no one did, where would the "intelligent" people get their depreciation bargains a few years later?

Gaygle · 9 Mar 2010 at 22:00

cm1179 said:
250+bhp in a fwd car?
seriously, how does it get the power down. ok so i'll probably get accused of focus bashing here again but why would you develop such an engine to put it in a fwd car? lsd thingymajob sorts this does it?

Well, apparently the 305bhp in the Focus RS is handled well (considering) largely due to all sorts of technical magic like trick suspension, diffs, electronics etc.

That said, i still think 300bhp+ is suited to a 4WD/RWD car.

cm1179 · 9 Mar 2010 at 22:01

either i'm going mad or you said that before

edit:
ah i see

Gaygle · 9 Mar 2010 at 22:04

MikeHiow said:
I've said it many times before, it is completely fruitless comparing new for second hand. You can also slate those for buying new cars, but if no one did, where would the "intelligent" people get their depreciation bargains a few years later?

Did you even read the thread? No one has slated the OP. In fact two of us have even said how we respect his decision. :rolleyes:

Sometimes it's fruitless comparing second hand to new, but at the end of the day, the guy has £28k to spend on a fast car, if he gets better value for money buying a 1 year old example, what's the problem?

Anyway, people have just stated that an RS is not what they'd buy for the money, and posted examples of what they'd have instead, which, if i'm not mistaken, is directly addressing the question of "Focus RS - would you" (which also happens to be the thread title).

AgentSm1th · 9 Mar 2010 at 22:11

Gaygle said:
Yeah, MrLOL was running a modded high powered car and it's clutch was fine - until the day that it broke. Notice how he hasn't got "VXR" written in his sig anymore... take a guess why...

Thats all I am saying is a new Scoob or EVO will not cost more to run than a new RS.

The clutches in the EVO X handle upto 420BHP with ease, you wanna go beyond this then its gonna seriously have its life reduced. Guys on MLR are running 400BHP region cars and are upto 40k miles, no clutch issues.

Did MrLOL not discover he had clutch issues only a few thousands miles after he remapped it?

Plus an FQ-300, FQ-330 and FQ-360 are all identical cars, the clutch is the same in them all, even possibly the new FQ-400.

I guess it depends what the OP wants the car for, the RS is better looking and rarer plus should hold its value better.
But surely that makes the argument for getting a 6-18 month old EVO X a great buy and a relative bargain, for the price of an new RS he could get a 12 month old FQ-360 for same money. Now which will depreciate more the brand new RS or the 12 month old EVO X in say 2 years ownership?

My advise go test drive all these cars but having driven 300BHP Focus ST (I know the RS is better) and several EVO 9's and 10's the EVO is simply in a different league.

Why was Z4M Coupe dismissed? Too old?

MikeHiow · 9 Mar 2010 at 22:12

It isn't just in this thread, every time someone says, I'm going to spend X amount on a brand new FWD hot hatch, the thread is bombarded with "Well you can have this right wheel drive car thats 8 years older for the same money".

Gaygle · 9 Mar 2010 at 22:16

MikeHiow said:
It isn't just in this thread, every time someone says, I'm going to spend X amount on a brand new FWD hot hatch, the thread is bombarded with "Well you can have this right wheel drive car thats 8 years older for the same money".

Wow, you seem like you have a real chip on your shoulder. He never said he was going to buy a Focus RS he was asking the Motors forum if WE would. Look, he's even put it in the thread title to make it super super obvious!

And wtf, who's posted an 8 year old RWD car? Care to make up any other random facts to excuse the fact you've just burst into this thread and started whining about nothing?

AgentSm1th · 9 Mar 2010 at 22:20

MikeHiow said:
It isn't just in this thread, every time someone says, I'm going to spend X amount on a brand new FWD hot hatch, the thread is bombarded with "Well you can have this right wheel drive car thats 8 years older for the same money".

Are we not talking about cars less than 18 months old with manufacturer warranty remaining? Seems everyone else is so maybe your in the wrong thread?

MikeHiow · 9 Mar 2010 at 22:20

The 8 year old car would be people who usually suggest E46 M3s, and not aimed at this thread.

It is not an excuse, I do not need one. Its a common trend, if you can find a "Should I buy this hot hatch brand new" thread, that hasn't resulted in the above, please post it.

Gaygle · 9 Mar 2010 at 22:25

MikeHiow said:
The 8 year old car would be people who usually suggest E46 M3s, and not aimed at this thread.

Did i see a ninja edit there? I could have sworn that it USED to say "tell that to the people who recommended the E46 M3's"

MikeHiow said:
It is not an excuse, I do not need one. Its a common trend, if you can find a "Should I buy this hot hatch brand new" thread, that hasn't resulted in the above, please post it.

So why are you moaning about it in this thread? :confused:

Comeon, we both know you didn't read the thread properly, moaned about something, then discovered that you were wrong and now your backpeddling.