Focus ST or Impreza WRX?

MikeHiow · 29 Dec 2010 at 12:32

I've just been reading about it, and its like I've just been reading your post

From what I gather, LC only works with VDC switched off, and Nissan say that if you switch VDC off for any reason than snow/mud then you do so at your own risk and any breakages may not be covered.

I too read that they redesigned the VDC system to allow LC while it is switched on, but taking a bit more care of the car - ie. lower RPM launch etc.

Joshy · 29 Dec 2010 at 12:43

MikeHiow said:
I've just been reading about it, and its like I've just been reading your post

Are you accusing me of 'MrLOLi'ng?

MikeHiow said:
From what I gather, LC only works with VDC switched off, and Nissan say that if you switch VDC off for any reason than snow/mud then you do so at your own risk and any breakages may not be covered.

I didn't know that simply turning it off voided warranty. I thought it was just giving it the death with a full bore launch at 3500RPM

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MikeHiow · 29 Dec 2010 at 13:02

If you want waft through the sub89 **** here then that is the picture that it paints for me.

Gibbo · 29 Dec 2010 at 13:28

DiamondMark said:
Orrrrrr you can put it in drive and put your foot down the required amount

Its a manual.

DM · 29 Dec 2010 at 13:35

Gibbo said:
Its a manual.

Yes but i meant buy an auto instead

Gibbo · 29 Dec 2010 at 13:52

DiamondMark said:
Yes but i meant buy an auto instead

Thats a swearword!

Fr0dders · 29 Dec 2010 at 14:34

Meridian said:
It's because of the way the Ecutek licence works I believe. The PPP piggy-backs a whole new control circuit across the ECU, and is the nearest thing to a "plug-in" off the shelf ECU remap. But that requires the downpipe cat to be removed to match what the map expects (hence the slightly higher power gain over a simple remap).

from what you're saying, both appear to involve a piggyback ECU

is it not possible to modify the car's ECU like you can on other marks then ?

ironman · 29 Dec 2010 at 14:34

Insurance is always a pain in the ass with Scoobs but you have to sacrifice something at some point, at 22 my STi was £2300 to insure for the year, excellent post code, no ncb.

Fr0dders · 29 Dec 2010 at 14:36

Joshy said:
From what I understand, the controversy stems from the fact that Pre 2010MY GTRs did not come with launch control. What it did come with was a mode for getting the car moving in low traction situations which did make the car launch marginally quicker in the bone dry, but was pretty hard on the car. So you had people using a feature for something that it wasn't intended for and then moaning on the internet when Nissan wouldn't fork out a couple of grands for a new transmission under warranty.

In 2010 cars they've dropped the amount of RPM that the car takes off at in this mode so it can be used as "Launch control" without the transmission topping itself.

I think the 3 strikes and you need a new clutch thing is for Ferraris with LC pre 458 but am not 100% sure.

think i read in evo the Original GTR launched at 5500 rpm

they've now dropped it in the facelift model to 3000rpm to stop it lunching the box.

*edit*

The old RPM was 4500 apparently.

http://www.pistonheads.com/astonmartin/default.asp?storyId=19304

Available as an update to your existing GTR, and the warranty is valid if you keep VDC on. Acceleration is the same apparently:

It will also decrease the maximum rpm the vehicle will allow at launch with the VDC off from the present 4,500 rpm to between 3,000 rpm and 3,500 rpm. It seems that the warranty is still void if the car is launched without VDC – something that came as a shock to at least one owner – but the chances of damage appear to be reduced.

The onboard computer modification will supposedly offer 'acceleration similar to that with the current launch control,' but will do so without disabling the VDC.

MikeHiow · 29 Dec 2010 at 14:45

MrLOL said:
from what you're saying, both appear to involve a piggyback ECU

is it not possible to modify the car's ECU like you can on other marks then ?

From what I understand from the further posts beyond the one you quoted, both PPP and ECUtek are now done without any additional hardware. ScubaScorpion confirmed this earlier on by stating a PPP and ECUtek'd are no different, and the map just has Prodrive listed as the licensee, which seems to suggest that PPP maps are delivered using ECUtek's technology, perhaps?

Alibaba99 · 29 Dec 2010 at 15:56

MrLOL said:
from what you're saying, both appear to involve a piggyback ECU

is it not possible to modify the car's ECU like you can on other marks then ?

Ecutek has always been an ECU remap system.

The early PPPs used a piggyback approach but then switched to a proper remap using Ecutek.

Meridian · 29 Dec 2010 at 16:39

It's not a remap in the usual meaning: they swap the existing ECU for another with the Prodrive map already on it. Thus you still have a locked Ecutek ECU which requires an unlock fee to be mapped by anoyone else.

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glitch · 29 Dec 2010 at 16:45

gurdas said:
Insurance is always a pain in the ass with Scoobs but you have to sacrifice something at some point, at 22 my STi was £2300 to insure for the year, excellent post code, no ncb.

You're not joking there.

For me, the Spec D is double the price of the 'equivalent' ST. Ouch.