For anyone who cares about animal welfare

VeNT · 19 May 2006 at 17:10

oh look a peta website thats saying some animals have been abused.
wow, thats somthing new, lets all stop eating animals cos its realy evil

no wait, lets not

Energize · 19 May 2006 at 17:13

Spacky said:
If God intended us to be veggies he would have made us all cows

By design we actually are herbivores, stomach ph, jaw shape and teeth, appendix etc, none of our phyiscal attritbutes match carnivores or omnivores.

Energize · 19 May 2006 at 17:20

Spacky said:
I wouldn't wish Quorn on my worst enemies.

They can grow meat as well you know.

^TANK^ · 19 May 2006 at 17:41

penski said:
I like the taste of meat and, to be honest, I couldn't care less if it took the thing a month to die; it tastes good, get it on my plate.

*n

Nice.

SexyGreyFox · 19 May 2006 at 17:41

AJUK said:
There is a small flaw in your argument. The animals wouldn't be there becase they are only bred at the moment for humans to eat, if all humans became veggie, there would be no need to breed the animals. Carry on....

/backs out of thread

No flaw at all.

The farmers let all the animals out into the wild and get on with growing vegetables. Eventually mummy and daddy animals will have sex and make lots of babies and eventually they are slaughtered because farmer Giles isn't there to look after them and they're running riot.

phykell · 19 May 2006 at 17:47

penski said:
I like the taste of meat and, to be honest, I couldn't care less if it took the thing a month to die; it tastes good, get it on my plate.

*n

If you really are being honest then you're a truly reprehensible example of a human being IMO though it's more likely you're saying it as some sort of attempt at bravado and to earn the respect of your peers. Sad really either way.

raz0rr · 19 May 2006 at 17:56

phykell said:
If you really are being honest then you're a truly reprehensible example of a human being IMO though it's more likely you're saying it as some sort of attempt at bravado and to earn the respect of your peers. Sad really either way.

Why?

It really doesn't bother me how an animal dies, as long as it's healthy, and makes good meat. It's what they were bred for anyway.

Carzy · 19 May 2006 at 17:57

phykell said:
If you really are being honest then you're a truly reprehensible example of a human being IMO though it's more likely you're saying it as some sort of attempt at bravado and to earn the respect of your peers. Sad really either way.

Why is that truly reprehensible? He likes meat, he doesn't go in for the "oooooh look at the cute animal, isn't he cute, we couldn't possibly kill it!" approach, and how it died doesn't matter to him (as it doesn't to millions of consumers across the country). Trying to earn respect? Laughable. He's merely stating his view, get over it.

mr jamez · 19 May 2006 at 17:58

PETA said:
PETA staff members—alerted about the crash by concerned passersby—pleaded with officials for hours, to no avail, in an attempt to ensure that injured animals were examined and put out of their misery.

You mean slaughtered, spit roasted and eaten on site

squiffy · 19 May 2006 at 18:03

raz0rr said:
Why?

It really doesn't bother me how an animal dies, as long as it's healthy, and makes good meat. It's what they were bred for anyway.

So in your view, killing a cow with a bullet in the brain, and hacking away with a machete whilst it's still alive is exactly the same?

Are you kind of sick person? At least the animal should be killed quickly. Would you say those on death row should be hung, drawn a quarted? Why not? It's the same right?

I eat meat btw.

fatiain · 19 May 2006 at 18:03

Energize said:
By design we actually are herbivores, stomach ph, jaw shape and teeth, appendix etc, none of our phyiscal attritbutes match carnivores or omnivores.

Nope, we have canine teeth, only one stomach.... omnivore.

loopstah · 19 May 2006 at 18:12

squiffy said:
So in your view, killing a cow with a bullet in the brain, and hacking away with a machete whilst it's still alive is exactly the same?

I imagine hacking it to death with a machete would make the meat a bit tough and harm the flavour so obviously it wouldn't be as good a way to slaughter a cow.

Energize · 19 May 2006 at 18:13

fatiain said:
Nope, we have canine teeth, only one stomach.... omnivore.

Most herbivores have 1 stomach, rabbits and horses for example, some also have canine teeth for defence.

Omnivores have a stomach ph of 1 to kill the bateria that decompose meat, herbivores have a ph of 4, humans have a ph of 4 which is why we get food poising from rotting meat wheras omnivores dont.

phykell · 19 May 2006 at 18:15

raz0rr said:
Why?

It really doesn't bother me how an animal dies, as long as it's healthy, and makes good meat. It's what they were bred for anyway.

He said that he doesn't care how long they take to die. Am I to understand that you don't care if they suffer because if you do, I lump you in the same category as the other guy.

VeNT · 19 May 2006 at 18:15

squiffy said:
So in your view, killing a cow with a bullet in the brain, and hacking away with a machete whilst it's still alive is exactly the same?

Are you kind of sick person? At least the animal should be killed quickly. Would you say those on death row should be hung, drawn a quarted? Why not? It's the same right?

I eat meat btw.

flaw in statment,
if you KILL it with a bullet then its DEAD (ie its been killed) and ergo cannot be ALIVE while dismembering is taking place.

fatiain · 19 May 2006 at 18:17

Energize said:
Most herbivores have 1 stomach, rabbits and horses for example, some also have canine teeth for defence.

We also have forward facing stereo-vision eyes, the eyes of a predator. Predators as in ones who go after moving things not like plants.

Carzy · 19 May 2006 at 18:18

VeNT said:
flaw in statment,
if you KILL it with a bullet then its DEAD (ie its been killed) and ergo cannot be ALIVE while dismembering is taking place.

He's comparing the two, not saying you do one after the other.

fatiain · 19 May 2006 at 18:18

Energize said:
humans have a ph of 4 which is why we get food poising from rotting meat wheras omnivores dont.

Dude, that's just wrong, human stomach pH is damn near 1.

squiffy · 19 May 2006 at 18:18

well duh.

what you didn't understand is shooting it through the brain is a quick death, cutting it's legs off and letting it bleed to death is the same end result, but the method is slow and painful for the cow. I wouldn't want the animals I eat to have that sort of death. Quick chop/spike to the brain etc is ok. Same for murderers on death row.

phykell · 19 May 2006 at 18:19

Carzy said:
Why is that truly reprehensible? He likes meat, he doesn't go in for the "oooooh look at the cute animal, isn't he cute, we couldn't possibly kill it!" approach, and how it died doesn't matter to him (as it doesn't to millions of consumers across the country). Trying to earn respect? Laughable. He's merely stating his view, get over it.

I'll tell you why I'm not prepared to "get over it"; just because we breed animals for meat doesn't mean it's at all morally acceptable to treat animals inhumanely. That's why there are laws protecting animals against people like penski who couldn't give a toss about how animals are treated as long as he gets to eat them. Thankfully, the vast majority of people aren't as uncaring and inhumane as he is.

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