Afaik, any dairy that's solid at room temperature is usually high in saturated fat as that's one of it's properties (same goes for cheese). I'm sure it has higher poly/mono fats but I was under the impression that butter isn't fantastic for you?
For those into fitness, do you avoid 'junk food'?
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Afaik, any dairy that's solid at room temperature is usually high in saturated fat as that's one of it's properties (same goes for cheese). I'm sure it has higher poly/mono fats but I was under the impression that butter isn't fantastic for you?
Soldato
No, it isn't, margarine is recommended.
The amount my mum has on her baked spud is INSANE, proper butter this is. She doesn't each much so manages not to put on weight. About a quarter pack with the whole thing. Think I'd be sick if I ate that much!
Soldato
Soldato
I don't really use margarine tbh, only on toast really, although i can live without having it on toast as the scrambled egg does the job of softening the toast. Baked potato, i just put a tablespoon of olive oil on it and throw it in the oven, and i have either melted avocado and cheese or tuna and mayonnaise within it.
Caporegime
ha! that will do me for a few hours, then I'll be fighting off telling the wife to grab KFC on her way home from her party!
haha, know your place woman!
A true British 5 course meal:
McD's, KFC, Chippy, Kebab and then finished off with a curry to flush it all out
Man of Honour
Right now, in my "off season", I do 90% of the time, but if I do end up at McDonalds or someone brings cakes/sweets into work. I don't feel it's the end of the world.
And I'm making the most of it because from February, any sort of junk food or naughty food will be a no no for 4/5 months
And I'm making the most of it because from February, any sort of junk food or naughty food will be a no no for 4/5 months
Soldato
My friend has actually done a 5 course takeaway while on a night out before (5 takeaways) I think it was:haha, know your place woman!
A true British 5 course meal:
McD's, KFC, Chippy, Kebab and then finished off with a curry to flush it all out
1 chippy, 2 mcdonalds, 1 kebab, 1 box of pakora.
It was an impressive sight (he vomitted after the pakora lol)
Caporegime
I eat what I want. Tried the whole clean diet thing a few years ago and hated it. I was born to eat crap and I'm far happier doing so.
Man of Honour
Marg = bad, butter = good. 
For me junk food is nuts, and a green pepper and goats cheese omelette!
I think as has been said, everything in moderation - having a few drinks from time to time, and enjoying some high calorific food from time to time is absolutely not a problem if you live your life 90% of the time clean and healthy.
For me junk food is nuts, and a green pepper and goats cheese omelette!
I think as has been said, everything in moderation - having a few drinks from time to time, and enjoying some high calorific food from time to time is absolutely not a problem if you live your life 90% of the time clean and healthy.
Soldato
haha, know your place woman!
A true British 5 course meal:
McD's, KFC, Chippy, Kebab and then finished off with a curry to flush it all out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayOr5wd219Q
Soldato
Marg = bad, butter = good.
Is there still a debate between the two? As i've heard different opinions.
Man of Honour
It depends on your view point as far as im concerned the more natural the better and you wont find marge made without some sort of added chemicals.
Processing foods is never a good thing
I eat clean pretty much all the time, i do slip on the odd occasion but i get right back on that wagon.
I actually enjoy it, though i do feel horribly guilty when i do cheat.
As for terrys chocolate orange, i've gone right off them i think they've switched to palm oil a few years back, also they use less orange flavouring so now it tastes dull as dishwater to me.
Matchmakers on the other hand, i could be in trouble over christmas there, i can never seem to stop when i have 'just the one'
I think spoling myself on valhrona chocolate has done me a big favour, made me realise how bad mass produced chocolate can taste, plus this stuff is expensive and hard to order, which suits me fine.
Ah cao grande, here we go don't say i didn't warn you.
http://www.chocolatetradingco.com/buy/cao-grande-39-milk-chocolate-bar?by=cat&c=733&o=2&pz=10&p=2
I actually enjoy it, though i do feel horribly guilty when i do cheat.
As for terrys chocolate orange, i've gone right off them i think they've switched to palm oil a few years back, also they use less orange flavouring so now it tastes dull as dishwater to me.
Matchmakers on the other hand, i could be in trouble over christmas there, i can never seem to stop when i have 'just the one'
I think spoling myself on valhrona chocolate has done me a big favour, made me realise how bad mass produced chocolate can taste, plus this stuff is expensive and hard to order, which suits me fine.
Ah cao grande, here we go don't say i didn't warn you.
http://www.chocolatetradingco.com/buy/cao-grande-39-milk-chocolate-bar?by=cat&c=733&o=2&pz=10&p=2
Man of Honour
For me it's not a debate
I eat a stack load of butter and my cholesterol is way down. I'm just not a fan of processed food. I try and get as much natural produce in me as possible - hence why my shopping bills are so high - unjustifiably so, I think it's our right to have good quality food for little cost. But that's another debate!
They both have the same amount of calories gram for gram but butter is slightly higher in saturated fats around 20% more gram for gram - so not a huge amount really.
Butter has actual nutritional benefit, whereas margarine has only a few and only owing to being artificially added ot them.
Butter has done us well for many many many centuries, so why change to something synthesised and almost nutritionless? Furthermore, marg is high in TFAs - which isn't good as this could potentially increase the risk of CHD.
Whilst the claims for lowering cholesterol, I don't believe it, or if it does, it decreases HDL as well which is pointless as the ratio between LDL and HDL is more important the ratio should be above 0.4 of HDL/LDL - this again is another link to heart disease.
In women, it potentially can lower the nutritional quality of breast milk owing to it's TFA content.
There are also quantifiable measurements of marge decreasing immune and insulin responses, however these were extreme tests with bad diets and large amounts of marge - however these were owing to large amounts of TFAs which are more present in a lot of marges - not all nowdays, as you're probably away a lot of them have started to use butter in their marges because they realised that marge by itself was poor.
As you know, my keeness on insulin response and activity within your body, certainly for bodybuilding is quite a thing of mine - so anything that interferes with that goes bye bye out of my diet!
Again a lot of the above is for a high amount in your diet - but why even put it in your diet in the first place?
There's also the debate on taste - I look good food, and butter tastes great! There are some weird "facts" out there like increasing risk of cancer etc... ,but I'm not bothered about them - I'm more interested in the actual ins and outs of butter.
Soldato
Good thing i rarely put margarine on my food, i think i will move over to butter.
Man of Honour
It's the TFAs you just want to be wary of - sat fat isn't THAT bad, and you do need it - in fact it can help boost testosterone in fact cholesterol does too... but it's a balance... which is why traditionally a lot of bodybuilders just ate LOTS and LOTS of steaks - but later in life suffered with CHD and other heart conditions and cholesterol problems.
It's a bitch as you don't want too much, but you want the right amount... how much, you ask? It's an impossible question, and one you just have to work out for yourself. Look up testosterone saturated fat diets - lots of info on it. More info than I know about really anyway.
It's a bitch as you don't want too much, but you want the right amount... how much, you ask? It's an impossible question, and one you just have to work out for yourself. Look up testosterone saturated fat diets - lots of info on it. More info than I know about really anyway.
Soldato
It's the TFAs you just want to be wary of - sat fat isn't THAT bad, and you do need it - in fact it can help boost testosterone in fact cholesterol does too... but it's a balance... which is why traditionally a lot of bodybuilders just ate LOTS and LOTS of steaks - but later in life suffered with CHD and other heart conditions and cholesterol problems.
You're right about the sat fats,over the years we've been duped into believing they are bad for us when in reality they should be a part of everyones diet.
The fact that a lot of old school bodybuilders suffered CHD in later life isn't justification enough imo to demonise fatty red meat consumption as the cause of their disease. Chances are they were also taking steroids/growth hormone,and probably eating loads of refined carbs/sugars all of which have been linked to CHD.
I'm glad you're not one of these low fat stalwarts though,a lot of body builders I know insist on low fat/high carb,protein diets,they think it keeps them lean whilst building muscle,they put on muscle alright but they never look that lean.
I've found over the years that by cutting my own carb intake right down especially refined types,and upping fats whilst taking in adequate protein I can build and maintain good muscle mass but still stay very lean despite my daily Kcal intake being high. From the reading i've done I'm becoming more and more convinced that dietry carb intake and body fat storage are directly related,the elevated blood insulin levels from consuming carbs seems to directly drive fat storage.
Anyway sorry for going off on a tangent,just thought you might find the insulin theory interesting,there is a seminar given by a chap called Gary Taubes who is a medical journalist, he has written books on his theories and also writes for medical journals. Not being a doctor or scientist many people will disregard his theories as clap trap but I think he's uncovered some compelling evidence that supports the insulin/body fat storage theory.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4362041487661765149#
The main problem I have for low fat / high carb is the big research papers on it were all done by grain producers. I'm hardly an expert but as a diabetic hear a lot about it on diabetic forums. Mostly because people are following their GPs advice of lowering fat (all kinds) and eating large amounts of 'starches' and are getting worse blood results.
I'm not all about low carbs, but have reduced the amount I eat so I need to inject less insulin / even out spikes in blood glucose.
I'm not all about low carbs, but have reduced the amount I eat so I need to inject less insulin / even out spikes in blood glucose.