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French immigration "The politically correct have caused too much havoc in this country."

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Lord-Jaffa, Jan 21, 2019.

  1. D.P.

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    FN has had an increase in polling because they rejected a rise in taxes to pay for an aging population that could be paid for with increased immigration.

    The far right will have to accept a decline in the living standards and increase taxation, or an increase in immigration. The latter makes everyone more prosperous and is more popular for the majority.

    Perhaps if the FN and brexiter voters paid an extra 20% income tax and lost access to free education and health care, then the governments could reduce immigration a little.
     
  2. D.P.

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    Not full I'm the slightest, but if you want a change then you will have to accept massively increased taxation and a reduction in services like healthcare, while becoming poorer compared to the rest of the world.

    The long term solution is Socialism
    We just have to wait for all the right-wingers to grow up or die off. Socialism is the only solution to limit the requirement for perpetual population growth.
     
  3. robfosters

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    So basically if you’re right wing, you’re either immature mentally or old?
     
  4. StriderX

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    Well the fact that they think you can both reduce taxes and increase spending is probably an indication they're a bit stupid. Reaganomics is such a ****** idea, i can't believe it was ever adopted outside of the US.
     
  5. D.P.

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    More or less yes. Right-wingers are certain my in cape me of understanding why we have immigrants , why immigrants are a benefit, why the UK is running out of space, or how to run the economy and support an aging population.


    The immaturity of opinions on socialism is easily seen in the GD thread on Venezuela and the wilful ignorance of the true economic issues, with a smattering if ignorant childish memes.

    And this just a fact that a majority of right-wing voters are older, and less educated.
     
  6. 200sols

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    It seems people cant hold the central ground anymore without being labelled a right wing idiot by the left. It is not right wing to question uncontrolled immigration.
     
  7. D.P.

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    But it is the ignorant right that make false statements like immigration is uncontrolled.
     
  8. StriderX

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    We can control it, CHOSE NOT TO.
     
  9. 200sols

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    That is not the fault of the general population, you cant be surprised when there is a push back from some normal people if the government completely ignores them.
     
  10. StriderX

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    Then you voted for the Tories and got the same answer, curious.
     
  11. 200sols

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    Right, because labour have a great record at controlling immigration? Another deluded comment.
     
  12. D.P.

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    Labour have been right wing when in power in the last fee decades
     
  13. D.P.

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    Why shouldn't the government ignore a minority of xenophobic ignorant fools?
     
  14. 200sols

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    And there we go. Even the mere suggestion that immigration is out of control and the left are calling names already.
     
  15. D.P.

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    Because immigration is not out of control, only xenophobic ignorants can believe that.

    A d who are you calling left , I am very central with my politics.
     
  16. Nasher

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    Yes because socialism always works so well. Just look at Venezuela.
     
  17. 200sols

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    So you think its sustainable to increase population by 250000+ per year? Its not.
     
  18. GordyR

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    Precisely... Any belief to the contrary relies entirely upon the individual in question being (in fairness understandably) ignorant of basic economics, and/or unwilling to fairly evaluate evidence.

    This lack of technical knowledge and/or confirmation bias that's present in portions of the populace is incredibly easy for politicians to exploit for personal gain.

    And exploit it they do...
     
  19. StriderX

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    It clearly is, our economy is better for it, they can clearly find jobs and an increase in labor means there's more need for shops/schools/services for everyone else to work in. The growth to businesses then mean's more need for labor... and on it goes.

    We're competing with other countries here and if we fall behind, it dominoes into delinquency, loss of jobs, means more loss of jobs, means less money, means less services, shops collapse faster, less jobs, less money, less services...

    The economy being functional and profiting is far better for us than some pitiful idea that nationalism will do the same thing.
     
  20. 200sols

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    More need for shops/schools/services! Well the only one we get is (Charity)shops. Put the blame for that at the politicians door, but it means without investment in infrastructure, NHS and so on the high immigration numbers are unsustainable. The reason politicians like high immigration is becuase it makes the GDP figures look good, but it doesnt improve the lives of the natives.