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"Future proofing" and the RX 480

For your average user i dont think theres such a thing as future proofing really, just buy the best card you can afford at the time.

Things you do now to future proof now, like getting the higher vram variable of a card with future sli/xfire in mind, can raise the price to the extent where you could just get a more powerful card now anyway. Especially as you would have to future proof the rest of your PC to allow for future SLI/xfire buy buying bigger PSU,rads,mobo,case etc to allow for the extra card that you may not even decide to buy in the end.

Sticking to a reference model card can be a form of future proofing if your gonna be water cooling card down the line as the reference GPU blocks are easier to get hold of and also cheaper second hand as theres normally loads about, but that isnt gonna apply to many people, and the reference models are sometimes power restricted and probably not worth water cooling anyway like the 480.
 
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Thanks for the responses. to address each individually would muddle the thread further, so I'll respond to everything in this post.

I suppose im coming at this from an unconventional angle.

This is my first PC build for gaming in a a long time. my last gaming PC was in 2004, so I'm pretty much new to the PC gaming scene of today.
That said, I have been interested and kept up with what was going on (card releases, API's etc)

The previous gaming generation I was on consoles.
I had my Xbox for nearly ten years, but when this current generation of consoles came around, PC seemed by far a better option.
There were no exclusives on either platform that interested me, and both consoles were obviously underpowered and outdated from the get go - a PC of the same spec costing cheaper.
Add in the fact that you can play online for free, and the very large library of games compared ti the consoles (now oddly including Xbox one games being released also in windows 10) and PC would appear to be a no brainer.

I've been waiting several months to decide on a GPU, reading and watchjng everything I can to try and pick the best card abd not feel I've wasted my money, and its certainly proven difficult to say the least.

When we talk about what is "future proofing", its an understandably conflicting discussion, reason beibg that it's partly relative to the person.
Now obviously, the simple discussion of how long x card will last on x settings can be outlined, but everyone has a different idea of whats "usable".

For me personally, the reason I said I could cope with dialing down the settings is because I suppose I'm one of those people refered to as a console peasant. :D
I've never Had a 1080p capable gaming platform myself (I've played in a PC at 1080p but that's about it) because the Xbox 360 was my last console, and as for gaming in 1440p and 4K, I have no clue as to what that actually looks like.
I set my sights.on gaming at 1080p because it was the next up from what I was using, and because I'm new to the game, I havent gone through several upgrade cycles as many of youhave, to know roughly when I'd need to be upgrading. Hence the reason for writing this thread.
(That said, I dont know weather aiming for a higher resolution like 1440p is a better bet these days with the way things are going)

I set my sights in the 480, because I hoped it'd last me four or so years, as a console would.
I simply dont have the funds, to drop £250 plus on a single component of a computer every two years.
Now I know PC gaming isn't in the same catagory as consoles.
With consoles, you buy the system, and it's supported for a minimum of four years (usually).


Ive contemplated several different cards, ranging from something as cheap as the gtx 960, right up to the higher end with the 1070, and everything in between.
Someone mentioned the 390x, which also seems an interesting option also.


I think the point is, as I said earlier, I don't really know what I want.
I want to get into PC gaming and experience the benifits, but I certainly can't justify this constant swapping of hardware to keep up with it.
To upgrade four years later would be fine. Anything less and I'd feel I was throwing my money down the drain and I may as well get a console again.

The option of Crossfire/SLI that we've been discussing is an interesting one, because if It's stable and actually works and is supported, that knocks down the price of your upgrade path significantly.

If things are moving as fast as people say they are, and 4K is soon to become the norm, then spending £600 on the beastly 1080 wouldn't be anywhere near future proof, either.

Some people were talking about the Vega. When is that supposedly comeing?
Some sites say this year?

I understand the decision of those who are waiting, I may end up doing that myself if I can't make a decision. Either that or I'll deliberate for so long that a new generation has arrived by the time I pic! :D

Thanks for the help everyone.
 
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To the OP (LMT50), I would personally just buy the best card you can afford and not set a time limit on its replacement (ie 4 years time). If you are just getting back into pc gaming some where down the line you will know when it is time for an upgrade and you will change the gpu out at that point. You can also look to sell on your gpu which is what allot of people do when upgrading which lessens the upgrade cost.

Anyway what ever you go for I am sure you will enjoy it and it will serve you well for a good period of time. :)
 
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I set my sights.on gaming at 1080p because it was the next up from what I was using, and because I'm new to the game, I havent gone through several upgrade cycles as many of youhave, to know roughly when I'd need to be upgrading. Hence the reason for writing this thread.

I set my sights in the 480, because I hoped it'd last me four or so years, as a console would.
1080p is a reasonable resolution and will be a good step up from 720p. I made a similar jump in 2013. Lots of people here have 1440p monitors and some even have 4k monitors, but you're also on a hardware enthusiast forum - the vast majority of PC gamers are on 1080p as well, so dont feel you are getting anything lackluster by not going higher. Frankly, going higher basically requires you to spend extra money on better GPU's, so it's a very expensive proposition in the end. For now at least.

An RX 480 will certainly last you four years at 1080p/60hz. A couple years in and you might get the itch to upgrade again anyways, but even if you dont, so long as you're fine with turning down settings, you shouldn't have any issues outside the odd poorly optimized title.

I would normally also recommend looking at the GTX1060, but since you specifically dont plan on upgrading anytime soon, I'd say the potential benefits of DX12 are something to consider more seriously, so the 480 might well be a slightly better bet as in 3-4 years, DX12 will become a whole lot more common and will be better taken advantage of.

One thing I'd keep in mind in terms of your specific 4 year plan though is the next generation of consoles. I imagine Sony will eventually introduce a proper Playstation 5 sometime around 2020(give or take a year or so) and when they do, your 480 is likely to run into games that it can barely run or not run at all. While PS5 games would probably be aiming at 4k, they will also be pushing graphics much harder too, so being at 1080p still probably wont save you. Basically, at that point, you're essentially gonna need to upgrade to play 'next gen' games. But that's some time from now, so I wouldn't fret over it, just something to be aware of if maybe they push it forward to 2019 or something, a bit earlier than you wanted to upgrade. Of course, there'll still be tons of games you can still play as I'm sure you're not gonna exhaust the entirety of the PC game library in 3 years!
 
This is my first PC build for gaming in a a long time. my last gaming PC was in 2004, so I'm pretty much new to the PC gaming scene of today.
That said, I have been interested and kept up with what was going on (card releases, API's etc)

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I've never Had a 1080p capable gaming platform myself (I've played in a PC at 1080p but that's about it) because the Xbox 360 was my last console, and as for gaming in 1440p and 4K, I have no clue as to what that actually looks like.
I set my sights.on gaming at 1080p because it was the next up from what I was using, and because I'm new to the game, I havent gone through several upgrade cycles as many of youhave, to know roughly when I'd need to be upgrading. Hence the reason for writing this thread.
(That said, I dont know weather aiming for a higher resolution like 1440p is a
better bet these days with the way things are going)

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I set my sights in the 480, because I hoped it'd last me four or so years, as a console would. I simply dont have the funds, to drop £250 plus on a single component of a computer every two years.

You've mixed it up quite a bit. Since you're building an entire PC you need to consider your budget altogether. It seems like you can afford £250 for the card alone, but what monitor have you settled on? Are you familiar with sync tech like FreeSync and GSync?

The reason I say this is because you need to consider your budget as a whole. I have an RX480 and a 6-year old Dell U2711 monitor. My monitor can display 60FPS at 1440p and that's it. So I play Doom with VSync on since the 480 usually exceeds 60fps...

Generally, FreeSync is much cheaper than GSync so based on your £250 budget for the card, you may want to look at some OCUK offers on a 480+monitor which will probably suit your budget better.
 
To the OP (LMT50), I would personally just buy the best card you can afford and not set a time limit on its replacement (ie 4 years time). If you are just getting back into pc gaming some where down the line you will know when it is time for an upgrade and you will change the gpu out at that point. You can also look to sell on your gpu which is what allot of people do when upgrading which lessens the upgrade cost.

Anyway what ever you go for I am sure you will enjoy it and it will serve you well for a good period of time. :)

Indeed. Maybe I shouldn't set a time limit. You can't predict the future much after all.

Thanks
 
1080p is a reasonable resolution and will be a good step up from 720p. I made a similar jump in 2013. Lots of people here have 1440p monitors and some even have 4k monitors, but you're also on a hardware enthusiast forum - the vast majority of PC gamers are on 1080p as well, so dont feel you are getting anything lackluster by not going higher. Frankly, going higher basically requires you to spend extra money on better GPU's, so it's a very expensive proposition in the end. For now at least.

An RX 480 will certainly last you four years at 1080p/60hz. A couple years in and you might get the itch to upgrade again anyways, but even if you dont, so long as you're fine with turning down settings, you shouldn't have any issues outside the odd poorly optimized title.

I would normally also recommend looking at the GTX1060, but since you specifically dont plan on upgrading anytime soon, I'd say the potential benefits of DX12 are something to consider more seriously, so the 480 might well be a slightly better bet as in 3-4 years, DX12 will become a whole lot more common and will be better taken advantage of.

One thing I'd keep in mind in terms of your specific 4 year plan though is the next generation of consoles. I imagine Sony will eventually introduce a proper Playstation 5 sometime around 2020(give or take a year or so) and when they do, your 480 is likely to run into games that it can barely run or not run at all. While PS5 games would probably be aiming at 4k, they will also be pushing graphics much harder too, so being at 1080p still probably wont save you. Basically, at that point, you're essentially gonna need to upgrade to play 'next gen' games. But that's some time from now, so I wouldn't fret over it, just something to be aware of if maybe they push it forward to 2019 or something, a bit earlier than you wanted to upgrade. Of course, there'll still be tons of games you can still play as I'm sure you're not gonna exhaust the entirety of the PC game library in 3 years!

Seems like the 480 is a good all round choice then, doesn't it.
And yeah, going higher is a pretty big jump considering the amount of upgrades necessary for it.

Regarding the next generation: as you say, if things have advanced to such a point where they're infinitely better than what the card can, I'd be wanting to upgrade anyway.
I just want to make sure I get my money's worth for a good few years, because even though it's only a midrange card, £250 is a decent amount of money for a single component.

thanks
 
You've mixed it up quite a bit. Since you're building an entire PC you need to consider your budget altogether. It seems like you can afford £250 for the card alone, but what monitor have you settled on? Are you familiar with sync tech like FreeSync and GSync?

The reason I say this is because you need to consider your budget as a whole. I have an RX480 and a 6-year old Dell U2711 monitor. My monitor can display 60FPS at 1440p and that's it. So I play Doom with VSync on since the 480 usually exceeds 60fps...

Generally, FreeSync is much cheaper than GSync so based on your £250 budget for the card, you may want to look at some OCUK offers on a 480+monitor which will probably suit your budget better.


Thanks for the pointers. I don't really know much about freesync and gsync; I'll have to do some research.

That's a good point, though.
I'll have a look and see if I can see any good deals.
 
By the way, what are people's opinions on microsofts project Scorpio? Do you think it's legit?

I wouldn't have thought they could put out a 4K gaming capable system by next year and it not cost an insain amount..

If it is then it'd be a pretty big deal I'd imagine.
 
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You shouldn't be aiming to keep the same graphics card for 4 years. Consoles (used to?) last that long but the graphics card market is faster. New generations from both AMD and NVidia are out roughly every 2 years.

After two years sell your old card and buy a new generation card. If you keep recycling the value of your old card into a new one every generation then upgrades don't cost that much. You also benefit from always having the latest technologies, best driver development (older generation cards are neglected) and always being within warranty.
 
By the way, what are people's opinions on microsofts project Scorpio? Do you think it's legit?

I wouldn't have thought they could put out a 4K gaming capable system by next year and it not cost an insain amount..

If it is then it'd be a pretty big deal I'd imagine.

4K gaming on a console mind is a whole different story to 4K gaming on a PC - they will still be fairly low geometry detail, and lower texture detail games and I suspect a lot won't actually be running 60+fps.
 
I used to buy the top end card of each generation. Seems pointless now, as they don't get the driver support to mean longevity any more. Some around the 200-250 price that lasts for 2 years is good value.
 
You shouldn't be aiming to keep the same graphics card for 4 years. Consoles (used to?) last that long but the graphics card market is faster. New generations from both AMD and NVidia are out roughly every 2 years.

After two years sell your old card and buy a new generation card. If you keep recycling the value of your old card into a new one every generation then upgrades don't cost that much. You also benefit from always having the latest technologies, best driver development (older generation cards are neglected) and always being within warranty.

Yeah, that does make sense, I see what you're saying.
How much are you actually for an upgrade on average, then, if you sell your old card? ( I know it depends on the card, but roughly)

And would that be cheaper or better than just going the crossfire/sli route?

Thanks
 
4K gaming on a console mind is a whole different story to 4K gaming on a PC - they will still be fairly low geometry detail, and lower texture detail games and I suspect a lot won't actually be running 60+fps.

Yeah, I'd imagine that'd be the case.
They'd have to sell it at a pretty big loss if it were to be a serious contender in the 4K market - even the 1080 isn't wonderful at 4K and rumour has it that the Scorpio will be somewhat comparable with the 1070 (with it coming in at six teraflops of compute power)
Even that would seem a tall order for next year..
 
I used to buy the top end card of each generation. Seems pointless now, as they don't get the driver support to mean longevity any more. Some around the 200-250 price that lasts for 2 years is good value.

They don't? That sucks. I presumed a high end card like that would have allot of support behind it for a fairly long time.
 
Yeah, that does make sense, I see what you're saying.
How much are you actually for an upgrade on average, then, if you sell your old card? ( I know it depends on the card, but roughly)

And would that be cheaper or better than just going the crossfire/sli route?

Thanks
In two years, you probably wont get much more than £100 selling a used 480. So you'd still be looking at another £150 or so out of pocket to upgrade to a new £250 GPU.

This ultimately means that instead of £250 every 4 years, you'd be paying £300, but you'd also have a more up-to-date GPU doing it like that. Of course you could also sell the 480 in 4 years to help a bit, but we're talking more like £50-75 for it at most by that point. So let's just say £200 vs £300 every 4 years.

In terms of SLI/Crossfire, I honestly dont ever recommend it. Half the time, games dont even support it and when they do, half the time it comes with issues.
 
Yeah, I'd imagine that'd be the case.
They'd have to sell it at a pretty big loss if it were to be a serious contender in the 4K market - even the 1080 isn't wonderful at 4K and rumour has it that the Scorpio will be somewhat comparable with the 1070 (with it coming in at six teraflops of compute power)
Even that would seem a tall order for next year..
Keep in mind console games typically only target 30fps and use medium/high PC-equivalent settings(gradually going to low/medium as the generation rolls on). A 1070 can certainly do 4k/30fps with medium/high settings. But we're talking AMD hardware, so I think the specs would indicate Microsoft are probably looking at using a baby Vega GPU for Scorpio.

I think Scorpio is pretty much right on point to do 4k console gaming next year. It wont come with substantially increased graphics or framerates, but it should be just sufficient to crank the resolution.
 
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In two years, you probably wont get much more than £100 selling a used 480. So you'd still be looking at another £150 or so out of pocket to upgrade to a new £250 GPU.

This ultimately means that instead of £250 every 4 years, you'd be paying £300, but you'd also have a more up-to-date GPU doing it like that. Of course you could also sell the 480 in 4 years to help a bit, but we're talking more like £50-75 for it at most by that point. So let's just say £200 vs £300 every 4 years.

In terms of SLI/Crossfire, I honestly dont ever recommend it. Half the time, games dont even support it and when they do, half the time it comes with issues


I was thinking of doing cross fire, not so much now haha
 
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