Galloway likens Alastair Campbell to Goebbels

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naffa said:
Stockhousen, you are one deluded individual if you think that Galloway is a man of honour. Do you know why he was original suspended from the House of Commons? Do you know why he was expelled from the PLP?

This is a man that said the downfall of the Soviet Union was the worst day of his life, somebody that openly supported the Red Army's invasion of Afghanistan. He's a disgrace humanity and should be regarded as such.
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Not only that he openly sympathizes with Islamic fundamentalists, he really is vile.

MrLOL said:
Think about this objectively.

We decide that prison is an appropriate punishment. They decide that something like throwing battery acid in the faces of young is an appropriate punishment.

Why is our view that it is wrong, more right than their view ?

Your views of what is right and wrong come from your parents, which in turn come from the cultural perception of what is right and wrong. This differs from culture to culture, why is our culture right and theirs wrong ?
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Because ours is civilised and theres is barbaric, is it really that hard for you to see that?

But if you won't listen to me, listen to what I would call an intellectual giant...

 
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George Galloway is a good/great speaker within a certain, fairly narrow, remit. He's also a massive egotist and shameless self publicist who to the best of my knowledge isn't particularly good at representing his constituents in Parliament (from memory his voting record is shamefully low at below 20%). So he's entertaining on occasion but that doesn't mean I think he deserves the platform he has any more than I think Big Brother contentants merit anything other than a two fingered salute.
 
naffa said:
Stockhousen, you are one deluded individual if you think that Galloway is a man of honour. ...
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Why so :confused:

naffa said:
... Do you know why he was original suspended from the House of Commons? ...
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Yes, I do. Do you :confused:

naffa said:
... Do you know why he was expelled from the PLP? ...
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Yes, I do. Do you :confused:

naffa said:
... This is a man that said the downfall of the Soviet Union was the worst day of his life ...
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That is certainly a point of view to which he is perfectly entitled. I don't happen to feel that it was the worst day of my life and I do think that it was not quite as great for the world at large as it could have been if the USA hadn't decided to make hay whilst the sun shone.

naffa said:
... This is a man ... that openly supported the Red Army's invasion of Afghanistan. ...
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Did he? I can't honestly say that I know whether he did or didn't and I suspect that you don't either.

I do know that other people have said that the Russian invasion whilst foolish and doubtless ill-intentioned was entirely understandable in the circumstances at the time and might actually have helped the people of Afghanistan if the Americans had not decided to oppose it, enthusiastically to encourage Islamic fundamentalism and ended up establishing Al-Qaida.

Many people have unquestioningly supported the disastrous US-led invasion of Afghanistan which looks likely to be just as damaging for the local population as the Russian invasion was.

naffa said:
... He's a disgrace [to] humanity and should be regarded as such.
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Perhaps by you - others may not agree :p
 
stockhausen said:
Why so :confused:

Yes, I do. Do you :confused:

Yes, I do. Do you :confused:
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Then how on Earth you can still consider him a man of honour is absolutely beyond me... You're way further our there then I could have imagined...

That is certainly a point of view to which he is perfectly entitled. I don't happen to feel that it was the worst day of my life and I do think that it was not quite as great for the world at large as it could have been if the USA hadn't decided to make hay whilst the sun shone.
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Of course he has the right to feel it, that's not really the point though, is it dear?

Many people have unquestioningly supported the disastrous US-led invasion of Afghanistan which looks likely to be just as damaging for the local population as the Russian invasion was.
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It sort of makes the the claim that he has been consistent, and held his head high look somewhat deluded, no?

Perhaps by you - others may not agree :p
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Thanks for pointing that out.
 
I think he's a great speaker.

In regards to what he's says, I've heard him say some clever things (rarely), and some truely moronic things (most of the time).
 
I don't see why we should be subjected to seeing Alastiar Campbell on TV anymore. He should dissapear and get a job in the city and never be seen again - abit like Gordon Brown who seems to have done a bunk somewhere?

I think I even saw Mr Campbell on a question of sport the other week. God help us if the media try to make him into a Piers Morgan replacement figure.
 
I can't stand George Galloway. Such a tit.

He's a self-glorifying and self-publicising sell-out, and has reportedly made millions out of dodgy deals and illegal involvements and links with terrorist organisations.
 
Gilly said:
I can't stand George Galloway. Such a tit.

He's a self-glorifying and self-publicising sell-out, and has reportedly made millions out of dodgy deals and illegal involvements and links with terrorist organisations.
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He could have been cast as Barry in Four Lions... :D
 
Gilly said:
... He's a self-glorifying and self-publicising sell-out, and has reportedly made millions out of dodgy deals and illegal involvements and links with terrorist organisations.
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Do tell, where other than in the Daily Wail and on OcUK have these fascinating revelations been reported? :eek:
 
IIRC he was banned from ever entering Egypt again due to his conduct and involvement in 'Viva Palestina' - it was widely reported at the time that the activists were coordinating with Hamas.

He was banned from Canada for the links with Hamas.

The disbanding of the Soviet Union was the 'biggest catastrophe of his life' (in reality, the biggest catastrophe of his life was celebrity big brother, but he'll have made on that so won't see it that way).

He has publicly backed Fidel Castro, and has been abusive and dismissive of anyone wishing to discuss it.

He has been discovered and cited in various reports following his involvement in the oil-for-food program.

What is true can be debated, what cannot be debated as it is obvious fact is that he's nothing more than a jumped-up slimeball out for making a name and money for himself.
 
I once bought tickets for an audience with Chris Eubank who had to pull out and his replacement was George Galloway.

I got a refund because I would not line his pockets with a penny. He should have taken an anti-war stance with dignity like Robin Cook, whose resignation speech was nothing short of magnificent.
 
Gilly said:
IIRC he was banned from ever entering Egypt again due to his conduct and involvement in 'Viva Palestina' - it was widely reported at the time that the activists were coordinating with Hamas. ...
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Egypt huh? What a surprise.

As it happens, I think he was deported for trying to cross into Gaza with a convoy of humanitarian aid which wouldn't have been allowed in by the Israelis who are happily exacting collective punishment on the Palestinians imprisoned there.

Of course the activists were coordinating with the democratically elected Hamas - who were in control of Gaza. With whom should the activists have been coordinating :confused:

Gilly said:
... He was banned from Canada for the links with Hamas. ...
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And then allowed in.

Gilly said:
... He has publicly backed Fidel Castro, and has been abusive and dismissive of anyone wishing to discuss it. ...
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I'm sure that he has expressed support for Fidel Castro; quite right too.

Abusive towards his critics? Probably, I am sure that they have been consistently polite and respectful about and to him.

Reluctant to discuss his views? I think you are referring to someone else, George Galloway is NEVER unwilling to discuss his views - with ANYONE.

Gilly said:
... He has been discovered and cited in various reports following his involvement in the oil-for-food program. ...
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"Discovered" huh? "Cited"?

I take it that you are referring to the "Miriam Appeal" which was alleged to have received something like £250k in donations from people busting oil sanctions imposed on Iraq? Galloway was opposed to Bush's sanctions on Iraq which resulted in the death of half-a-million children - he wasn't the only one.

The American Secretary of State, Madeline Albright on the other hand thought that those deaths were "a price worth paying".

Gilly said:
... What is true can be debated, what cannot be debated as it is obvious fact ...
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What :confused: Your ill-informed and arrogant opinions are NOT "facts".
 
Watched this now.

Lying scum

Alastair Campbell said:
"All I can tell you is being along side Tony Blair, watched the care in which he took that descision [to go to war], he did it because he believed Saddam had to be confronted, Saddam had to face up to his obligations, and instead of having people like George Galloway going in suitor saluting his indefatic ability, he had to finally to be forced... to be removed from power"
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Saddam had to be confronted.

:rolleyes:

Saddam had to face up to his obligations

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These are the only reasons offered for the invasion of Iraq in defence of Tony Blair.

No mention of WMD? No 45 minutes? I remember that repeated so often that I'm suprised they didn't splash it on the walls of the Commons in red.


Iraq was complying with its obligations.

Wiki said:
The issue of Iraq's disarmament reached a crisis in 2002–2003, when Bush demanded a complete end to alleged Iraqi production of weapons of mass destruction and full compliance with UN Security Council Resolutions requiring UN weapons inspectors unfettered access to suspected weapons production facilities. The UN had prohibited Iraq from developing or possessing such weapons after the Gulf War and required Iraq to permit inspections confirming compliance. During inspections in 1999, Iraq alleged that UN inspectors included U.S. intelligence agents that supplied the U.S. with a direct feed of conversations between Iraqi security agencies as well as other information. This was confirmed by the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal.[93]

During 2002, Bush repeatedly warned of military action unless inspections were allowed to progress unfettered. In accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 1441 Iraq reluctantly agreed to new inspections in late 2002. The weapons inspections did not uncover any WMD in Iraq. Shortly before the invasion Hans Blix, the lead weapons inspector, advised the UN Security Council that Iraq was cooperating with inspections and that the confirmation of disarmament through inspections could be achieved in a short period of time if Iraq remained cooperative.[60]
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No UN inspector was of the opinion that those weapons were held.



Gassing of the Kurds gets mentioned a lot too? Why did we not act like the morality police in the first Gulf war and get him hung then?

Why leave him in power for a decade more?

Why not invade Iran at the same time? Why such 'selective' justice?

Halabja poison gas attack said:
An investigation into responsibility for the Halabja massacre, by Dr Jean Pascal Zanders, Project Leader of the Chemical and Biological Warfare Project at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute concluded in 2007 that Iraq was the culprit, and not Iran. The U.S. State Department, however, in the immediate aftermath of the incident, took the official position based on examination of available evidence that Iran was partly to blame.[13]
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So many dead for what exactly?

I'm still waiting for the answer...
 
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