And may god bless you with the empathy, understanding, compassion and lack of judgement his son had.
Let's face it you ****ing need it.
Gay marriage legalised in the whole US by the supreme court
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And may god bless you with the empathy, understanding, compassion and lack of judgement his son had.
Let's face it you ****ing need it.
That's not the greatest page to support your argument.
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Finally, can we start the thread now?
So Texas appears to be having a go at resisting: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/01/opinions/roosevelt-same-sex-marriage-enforcement/
This actually seems to be a well written article, there's cases in the past where a supreme court ruling has failed to be enforced, and been enforced by sending in the military..
I'm struggling to find if there are people in Taxas currently un-able to get a marriage license though?
Well if the Terror drills are still going on in Texas...it wouldnt be too difficult, but it would be a more expensive war than Iraq
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OK, that's your view. But why is it your view and why should your view apply to anyone else?
Why? Numerous things about marriage have changed in various times and places, so "marriage should never change" is an invalid argument by itself unless you're using an odd linguistic argument and saying that we should only allow ancient Roman marriage because the word 'marriage' has its roots in Latin. But marriage varied significantly over time in ancient Rome too.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Not really. On one side there's reason and morality. On the other side is religion. There's no possibility of any challenge because each side is using a completely different basis for their position. It would be like me arguing about politics with an alien hive mind that didn't know what politics was and in any case neither of us understood any of the other's language. It's all rather pointless, really. There's no common ground to even argue about.
I think I see at least one of the underlying issues. Time for the cooked cheese analogy.
I find cooked cheese sickening to me. Literally - the smell and oozy slime of it makes me feel nauseous - as well as figuratively.
Note my phrasing. I didn't write that I find cooked cheese sickening. I wrote that I find it sickening to me. I recognise that my reaction to cooked cheese is wholly subjective. It's about me. It's not about the cooked cheese and it's not about other people.
Rather than using my reaction to cooked cheese to judge people who aren't me eating cooked cheese, I use reason and morality. A person eating cooked cheese isn't harmful to another person, so it isn't immoral. It's extremely wrong for me, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong for everyone.
It's entirely reasonable for a heterosexual person to find the thought of themself having homosexual sex repulsive.
It's not reasonable for them to project that onto other people who aren't them.
So genuine question in your own sex life you have no oral, no fingering, no anal, no toys etc?
your misuses must find that a bit unfulfilling surely?
yeah thats why straight men hate lesbian porn right?
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No. Many people I know, whatever their sexual orientation, don't care about marriage.
Come to think of it, none of the homosexual people I know have got married. Not even the couples who have been together for years.
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My attitude towards gay marriage has changed, quite frankly it doesn't effect me one bit so why even bother.
see and that's all they wanted, they didn't want you jumping for joy and throwing parties they just wanted to be quietly left alone to live their lives, just like you can.
It's a good analogy and very logical, but I can go one better and be much more succinct;
You are not a bigoted **** hole.
Good attitude. Enjoy being a normal and reasonable human being.
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It's an interesting article, I don't know if it does mean Texas will try to resist very hard but as the summation says provided same-sex couples can get a marriage licence then it might be possible to allow for an individuals religious beliefs to determine whether they choose to issue same-sex marriage licences. I wonder whether this possible exemption only applies for those in post now, will new hires have to agree that they will not seek an exemption to providing licences?
It's quite heartening to hear when someones attitude moves towards greater tolerance especially as it seems quite rare that people change their views at all.
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My views have changed in the other way. When I was younger my views were pretty much that it wasn't any of my business what people wanted to do.
As I have aged I have become more concerned with the impact on society as a whole and how this is another thing that undermines the family.
I can't see how gay marriage might undermine "the family"
it's not like you're going to be able to stop people from being gay and preventing gay people doing gay things together. If anything I would have thought that allowing same sex marriage would have helped solidify some families because same sex partners who have children will have the solidarity of a marriage behind them (should they view marriage in such a way). Being so pro family don't you agree? Or do you believe gay people shouldn't be allowed to be parents either? Damn those under dwelling gay people.
I think what you really mean to say is as you have aged you have become less tolerant, less reasonable and more bigoted, because that is exactly what you are describing. In case you missed it; these are not positive traits.
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A lot of MPs in the Conservative party who voted for marriage equality did so because it strengthens the concept of marriage. Seeing happy, smiling couples getting married all over the news only makes marriage appear more normal to young people.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/upda...ittee-to-investigate-sham-same-sex-marriages/
Bet those same MPs didn't forsee that coming.
Bet those same MPs didn't forsee that coming.
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