The move from civil partnerships to equal marriage hasn't changed the ability of people to remain in the UK illegally.
Gay marriage legalised in the whole US by the supreme court
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The move from civil partnerships to equal marriage hasn't changed the ability of people to remain in the UK illegally.
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I can't see how gay marriage might undermine "the family"it's not like you're going to be able to stop people from being gay and preventing gay people doing gay things together. If anything I would have thought that allowing same sex marriage would have helped solidify some families because same sex partners who have children will have the solidarity of a marriage behind them (should they view marriage in such a way).
Being so pro family don't you agree? Or do you believe gay people shouldn't be allowed to be parents either? Damn those under dwelling gay people.
I think what you really mean to say is as you have aged you have become less tolerant, less reasonable and more bigoted, because that is exactly what you are describing. In case you missed it; these are not positive traits.
I've stated my own views on this subject many times on here.
I believe that the ideal environment for a child is to be raised by their mother and father. The redefinition of marriage from a child centred institution to one which is instead focused on adult gratification is something I find deeply troubling.
I would appreciate if if you didn't engage in personal attacks towards another poster. I believe that is against the rules.
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If you find it deeply troubling then presumably you came to that conclusion based on evidence.
Otherwise it does sound like you arrived there via intolerance and not being reasonable. If we're talking about things that are troubling, setting policy with no supporting evidence would be up there on my list.
Otherwise it does sound like you arrived there via intolerance and not being reasonable. If we're talking about things that are troubling, setting policy with no supporting evidence would be up there on my list.
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Really? Just read anything on this from the Supreme Court Justices on this. The talk is all about same-sex couples. It is focused on adult relationships.
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Because that's what marriage is
If people aren't looking after their children then it's not the fault of same-sex couples being allowed to marry.
Well I would hold to the view that it isn't what marriage is. Hence my position that marriage is being redefined - evidenced by your view.
Totally agree. This is why sterile men and women are banned from getting married. And single parents have to give up their children.
What's love got to do, got to do with it?
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It is just a shame nobody has ever raised your point on here before. And it is such a shame I have never answered it before.
You're using the fact that someone has a differing opinion of you on what marriage is/has been about as evidence for that though. That's like one person saying 'it's too hot' and you saying 'nah I'm not bad' and you counting it as evidence against climate change.
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No it isn't. The definition of marriage that I hold to has been held by our society for an incredibly long time. It is only in recent years that people have sought to change this.
Marriage has never been child centred. It has always been adult centred. The vows are between the adults. You marry one another, you don't marry the children. No personal insults. Thank you.
e: The word "child" doesn't even appear on this wiki page with the traditional marriage vows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_vows. You'll see all of them are about the matrimony between the adults and absolutely nothing to do with children.
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Marriage has never been about children, no vows ever stated "to have and to hold, to bear children.
Marriage has been redefined many times. Marriages have been political, marriages have been about money. But by far the most common, going waaaay back to before marriage was even taken over by the church/state it was for love.
Same sex marriage isn't even new to the UK, or the west in general. Legal same sex marriage is, but before the 17th century, you didn't even need a ceremony to be recognised as married.
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You don't hate guys, you just don't think they should have the same rights as straight people.
Except they haven't. Marriage hasn't been child focused and I have no idea where you are getting that from.
Except they haven't. Marriage hasn't been child focused and I have no idea where you are getting that from.[/QUOTE
Henry VIII disagrees
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If you want an answer I would suggest you lay off the insults.
I'm sorry if you can't see where I get the child centred idea of marriage from I despair. This isn't a new concept and it isn't something unheard of.
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Got to chip in and say that there are quite a few people on these forums who love insulting others and they seem to get away with it again and again! They are just very sad individuals who just like to 'go with the crowd' and throw insults at people who are 'different' etc
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