Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

DarrenM343 · 27 Aug 2018 at 11:35

mid_gen said:
You have absolutely no idea what state their supply is, so you can't draw any conclusions from the website saying sold out.

"What's that Barry? We won't have more than a couple hundred units ready by September? That's fine, just launch it and sell them out and those mugs online will think they're flying out the door and FOMO them all up when we get volume out"

Do you really think it's a couple of hundred units? Really ?

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I think you're going to be surprised just how many will be sold.
Nobody has any idea how many units have been sold and that's including those talking silly low numbers. Might not sell like the 10 series, but just maybe NV don't need them to sell so well. We don't know this either. Lower supply(from manufacturing process), bump price, sell them all still might be the case here.

Troezar · 27 Aug 2018 at 11:45

I can see how religions succeed with promises you'll only see after you're dead lol. If people choose to believe that anything else is an easy sell.

RTX does smell very like PhysX. Great marketing tool but will it amount to anything? Who will develop for it if only cards around £1k can run it at low resolutions? I reckon three generations before its likely to be viable in 4k AAA games, maybe more.

More interesting is how performance stacks up outside of RT and before driver development for 10xx series cards is withdrawn

andybird123 · 27 Aug 2018 at 11:47

razorpakk said:
Yeah, one of the two biggest UK retailers, meaning global shipments are not as large as we might think. Not tens of thousands large even for day one.

You're forgetting that nvidia sell the reference cadds direct now, meaning day one aib custom cards are bound to be in short supply

Ocuk used to do the pyramids of reference carda but ocuk don't get any ref cards now

beany_bot · 27 Aug 2018 at 12:04

Paladine said:
They have sold out globally - so it was a success, period. You cannot get more successful than selling out your entire stock...

What. Like. Seriously what?

They sold out "pre orders"... Which is an arbitrary figure. Nvidia will have allocated a number of cards to sellers. A number they KNOW will sell out. Because being "sold out" drives hype...

It could have been 19 cards for all we know. All we know is nvidia will have made sure they "sold out". It means nothing on their success. We won't know their success for months. So please stop driving the hype.

fastboy · 27 Aug 2018 at 12:06

finally someone gets it

beany_bot · 27 Aug 2018 at 12:06

Paladine said:
Even if they only sold a couple of hundred, even if they only sold 1 - if their supply for launch was 1, 200, 50000, 2000000 and they sold them all - it is a ****ing success - what is so difficult to understand about that? They had a launch quota, they met that launch quota, launch was a success.

You have a lot to learn about marketing and sales.
They were always going to be SOLD OUT. nvidia will have made sure of that. Of course it matters the number of cards!!

I can just see nvidia saying to share holders "launch was a success, we sold 3 cards!!“ that was our quota!

FoxEye · 27 Aug 2018 at 12:11

Paladine said:
Even if they only sold a couple of hundred, even if they only sold 1 ... it is a ****ing success - what is so difficult to understand about that?

And you say we're delusional

beany_bot · 27 Aug 2018 at 12:13

The sole purpose of preorders and nvidia making sure they sell out is to drive hype before general release. It has nothing to do with selling cards. It's about driving FOMO for general launch.

mid_gen · 27 Aug 2018 at 12:22

DarrenM343 said:
Do you really think it's a couple of hundred units? Really ? .
I think you're going to be surprised just how many will be sold.
Nobody has any idea how many units have been sold and that's including those talking silly low numbers. Might not sell like the 10 series, but just maybe NV don't need them to sell so well. We don't know this either. Lower supply(from manufacturing process), bump price, sell them all still might be the case here.

Do you think that was a real quote from a guy called Barry at nVidia? I think you may have missed the point

DarrenM343 · 27 Aug 2018 at 12:30

mid_gen said:
Do you think that was a real quote from a guy called Barry at nVidia? I think you may have missed the point

I was ignoring that to be honest but the point from my side is that many are talking nonsense about the pre-order and selling out of items

. It's almost like paranoia here.
Nobody is going to change "opinion" so lets see the market do the talking and take stock in the future where I suspect the state of play will be loads sold and "the snoozers" will lose out, suddenly going quiet being as most these days don't like to admit being wrong and probably fomo'ing into the used market instead

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Current state of play is that if someone wants a 2080 Ti direct, they won't be able to order them now and receive them until probably Nov but more likely December. Read into that as you will. Marketing?(marketing suicide IMO if that was the case). Simply being made inlow volumes so not a great supply (which may be outside of NV's control), or one or more many other reasons? We wont know the facts until sometime in the future. Would be foolish to think these aren't going to sell sufficient numbers to make Jen happy

FoxEye · 27 Aug 2018 at 12:38

DarrenM343 said:
I was ignoring that to be honest but the point from my side is that many are talking nonsense about the pre-order and selling out of items . It's almost like paranoia here.
Nobody is going to change "opinion" so lets see the market do the talking and take stock in the future where I suspect the state of play will be loads sold and "the snoozers" will lose out, suddenly going quiet being as most these days don't like to admit being wrong and probably fomo'ing into the used market instead .

It's not about being too poor.
It's not about being too slow.
It's not about being too stupid.

It's simply about not being willing to pay the asking price.

"Your side" seems to get confused about this a lot. Possibly because you need as many ways to justify the current prices as you can possibly dream up

DarrenM343 · 27 Aug 2018 at 12:57

FoxEye said:
It's not about being too poor.
It's not about being too slow.
It's not about being too stupid.

It's simply about not being willing to pay the asking price.

"Your side" seems to get confused about this a lot. Possibly because you need as many ways to justify the current prices as you can possibly dream up

Then why keep on about it then?
It seems the other side are dreaming/spinning up reasons why they're making the right decision to not buy

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I'd personally have the same opinion whether I was buying or not. Would you?
Any, I have nothing more to add to this. Like I said , lets revisit in the future. Like I indicated, given Nvidia's position and expertise, only a fool would bet against them being right, and that includes on pricing. NV don't care whether you or I are willing to pay the asking price. They care whether enough will.

FoxEye · 27 Aug 2018 at 13:32

DarrenM343 said:
Then why keep on about it then?
It seems the other side are dreaming/spinning up reasons why they're making the right decision to not buy .
I'd personally have the same opinion whether I was buying or not. Would you?.

Eh, I'm not sure what you mean? Presumably if I was buying I would have a different opinion than I currently do (because I'm not buying)... so I don't understand.

But if the prices were realistic I might have bought a 2080. It's not the case that "I never was going to buy" as some insist on saying.

melmac · 27 Aug 2018 at 13:40

Kaapstad said:
Everything they planned to sell on preorder.

From NVidias point of view it is a complete success.

Or made to look like a complete success.

Silent_Scone · 27 Aug 2018 at 13:43

melmac said:
Or made to look like a complete success.

Is this where we're at now? lol, I mean really

It's a long old wait...

melmac · 27 Aug 2018 at 13:55

Silent_Scone said:
Is this where we're at now? lol, I mean really

It's a long old wait...

Yes, it's pretty basic marketing.

Silent_Scone · 27 Aug 2018 at 14:28

melmac said:
Yes, it's pretty basic marketing.

And saying no stock available at the unveil just 15 minutes in is basic marketing too, I take it?

Instead of, lets just say for instance, selling the cards lol

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It's by the by, really. I just don't like that we're now having to wait so long for anything concrete now.

Troezar · 27 Aug 2018 at 14:35

Silent_Scone said:
And saying no stock available at the unveil just 15 minutes in is basic marketing too, I take it?

Instead of, lets just say for instance, selling the cards lol

Given the size of the chip I wouldn't be surprised if yields were low. Someone was arguing exactly that no matter how few there were to sell selling out in 5mins is a great success! Seeing how high the price is I doubt they have hundreds of thousands ready to ship, if they had they wouldn't all be sold already...

melmac · 27 Aug 2018 at 14:43

Silent_Scone said:
And saying no stock available at the unveil just 15 minutes in is basic marketing too, I take it?

Instead of, lets just say for instance, selling the cards lol .

It's by the by, really. I just don't like that we're now having to wait so long for anything concrete now.

This stuff works, that's why companies do it. And, yes, it is by and by.

ljt · 27 Aug 2018 at 14:47

To be fair, it's equally tiring seeing people say that the only reason the people complaining about the price are refusing to buy is because "they can't afford it" as if it's the only reason they won't buy, when clearly it isn't.

With regards to the "selling out" of pre-orders, it would be interesting to find out come review time how many may end up cancelling if the cards aren't significantly faster than last gen.