Not yet afaik. We're still waiting for HDMI 2.1 sources. But I'd wager it's not gonna be much better than 40ish as bottom end of the VRR range.
*** General TVs Talk Thread ***
- Thread starter Poneros
- Start date
Not yet afaik. We're still waiting for HDMI 2.1 sources. But I'd wager it's not gonna be much better than 40ish as bottom end of the VRR range.
Same here downunder - shops do sell TCL, but usually it’s only the previous years models AND it’s all the low end models, they don’t sell the high end stuff.
My theory is that TCL is seeing as a junk brand outside the USA, that’s why they only sell the high end panels in the USA
Don’t think I’ve seen any proper tests - but VRR on 2019 hdmi 2.1 tvs is 40hz to 120hz as per the specs published by the manufacturer
Samsung shuts down all LCD/LED panel production in Korea. Will source any required stock of LED/LCD panels from China.
Most remaining Korean production facilities are now getting converted to OLED production. One other facility is still working on MicroLED which isn’t ready for consumer products anytime soon
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1565942818
Pretty damming news for the life of QLED - this strongly indicates that going forward OLED will take its place as Samsung’s high end TVs while QLED gets relegated to the low end.
Most remaining Korean production facilities are now getting converted to OLED production. One other facility is still working on MicroLED which isn’t ready for consumer products anytime soon
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1565942818
Pretty damming news for the life of QLED - this strongly indicates that going forward OLED will take its place as Samsung’s high end TVs while QLED gets relegated to the low end.
Last edited:
LG's going thriough the same ruminations .. had read this article trying to understand the oled price drops, and what upcoming deals there maybe
https://www.zdnet.com/article/fear-...e-axe-for-oled-tv-burn-in-and-market-squeeze/
.. it's a translation, and a bit biassed, but has over-view of high/medium market segments (qled's doing well)
edit:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/fear-...e-axe-for-oled-tv-burn-in-and-market-squeeze/
.. it's a translation, and a bit biassed, but has over-view of high/medium market segments (qled's doing well)
edit:
etc
That particular article has been doing the rounds and ridiculed for being a hit piece.
Prices will be dropping though, competition is good. Very keen to see in Samsung can do anything about burn in, if they do I’ll swap over otherwise just waiting for microled in a few years from now hopefully.
LG will be concerned considering they only have 1 or 2 years left before Samsung enters the consumer OLED market, I don’t think they expected to have any competition in that space.
And the main reason they can claim good qled sales is the price drops And price raises - they keep introducing new lower end models with lower prices while actually increasing prices at the high end - Q90R qled is about 40% more expensive than an LG C9 oled here but the Q60R entry qled is 50% cheaper than the C9. But the q60r didnt exist that long ago - Samsung introduced as a very cut down qled with most features missing compared to the high end, they’re able to cut down prices due to sourcing cheap LED panels out of China and now they are doubling down on Chinese production while sitting down Korean LED production
Prices will be dropping though, competition is good. Very keen to see in Samsung can do anything about burn in, if they do I’ll swap over otherwise just waiting for microled in a few years from now hopefully.
LG will be concerned considering they only have 1 or 2 years left before Samsung enters the consumer OLED market, I don’t think they expected to have any competition in that space.
And the main reason they can claim good qled sales is the price drops And price raises - they keep introducing new lower end models with lower prices while actually increasing prices at the high end - Q90R qled is about 40% more expensive than an LG C9 oled here but the Q60R entry qled is 50% cheaper than the C9. But the q60r didnt exist that long ago - Samsung introduced as a very cut down qled with most features missing compared to the high end, they’re able to cut down prices due to sourcing cheap LED panels out of China and now they are doubling down on Chinese production while sitting down Korean LED production
Last edited:
Soldato
So right now isn’t the time to buy a new tv?
I’ve been looking around before I got myself in knots and gave up. I want OLED but the wife often pauses programmes for ages.
I’ve been looking around before I got myself in knots and gave up. I want OLED but the wife often pauses programmes for ages.
Soldato
The time to buy one is when you need to, and not worry about it devaluing too much etc - just enjoy it for what it is
There will always be something better/cheaper around the cornerNovember through till March is usually the best time to buy a new TV, you get a current model at large discounts over the release price.
there's middle ground where there's nothing wrong with what you have .. its >4 years old .. wearing out ...and if a good value for money deal comes along at the right prices you'd bite.
Definitely like the new versus used car market ... if you buy last years models cost of ownership is reduced .. for negligible loss in functionality,
or even the irony where last years model was better value for money (xe9 versus xf9 ? or, Q60FAM, FX750)
I can't work out how brexit has impacted prices ... dealer margin must have been cut, and I can't believe they had pre-purhased much stock before march, yet the deals seemed better than previous years on oled ie ~£1K/[BC]8
Definitely like the new versus used car market ... if you buy last years models cost of ownership is reduced .. for negligible loss in functionality,
or even the irony where last years model was better value for money (xe9 versus xf9 ? or, Q60FAM, FX750)
I can't work out how brexit has impacted prices ... dealer margin must have been cut, and I can't believe they had pre-purhased much stock before march, yet the deals seemed better than previous years on oled ie ~£1K/[BC]8
Soldato
Cheers, not really the price more do I worry about screen burn if she pauses it for hours during the day.
Associate
- Joined
- 20 Mar 2014
- Posts
- 2,359
Can't quite afford OLED and also I plan on doing a some of gaming so I am thinking about getting an LG 49" Nanocell with HDMI 2.1 and 120hz.
LG 49SM8600PLA is £750
Anyone got one?
LG 49SM8600PLA is £750
Anyone got one?
I hade read the flatpanels result summary
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1566209962
and thought is the result statistically significant, given th enumber of partcipants, the scores are so close ..~0.3
well, apart from the best bright room tv where the q90r won by 0.6
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1566209962
and thought is the result statistically significant, given th enumber of partcipants, the scores are so close ..~0.3
well, apart from the best bright room tv where the q90r won by 0.6
LG C9 won the best gaming TV category by 0.7, which is 20% higher than the runner up Panasonic.
Unfortunately there is no value category - but it's easy to see why the C9 is the leader - it's by far the cheapest TV in the list and yet on average has the best performance too.
Poor Q90R QLED TV, guess Samsung will need to start running more OLED burn in TV add propaganda after this thrashing. Samsung OLED coming in 1 or 2 years
Unfortunately there is no value category - but it's easy to see why the C9 is the leader - it's by far the cheapest TV in the list and yet on average has the best performance too.
Poor Q90R QLED TV, guess Samsung will need to start running more OLED burn in TV add propaganda after this thrashing. Samsung OLED coming in 1 or 2 years
yes - agree the gaming win was larger ... but the intervention of q90r in (i need to look) whatever bright test they did surprising. (concessionary ?)
more expensive, as you say, though.
but the significance of all the results, stasticically, questionable, unless they qualify them further.
more expensive, as you say, though.
but the significance of all the results, stasticically, questionable, unless they qualify them further.
Guys, these shoot-outs are always just marketing events. Put no stock in them.
At the end of the day, the only facts are those that can be objectively measured. Rest is up for interpretation and personal preference, which these sort of shoot-outs are... just pure subjectivity, especially since results change so much depending on source & environment.
At the end of the day, the only facts are those that can be objectively measured. Rest is up for interpretation and personal preference, which these sort of shoot-outs are... just pure subjectivity, especially since results change so much depending on source & environment.
Soldato
Hardly, they were controlled conditions, no way of telling which display was which, the judges were professional calibrators or people in the industry.
The reference display they compared against costs £30k
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1566209962
Controlled conditions means nothing, because controlled conditions for them are just one environment setup. Where it will actually be in your home is something else, and that will dramatically affect the result. Your window setup, your curtains, time of day, lights/positioning etc & etc. To say nothing of chosen footage, which can also dramatically affect what looks good on what TV. If there was so much objectivity to these people then they would all get the same results, and crown the same TVs. Curious that it doesn't go that way, and different groups of even such "professionals" end up picking different TVs as winners, depending on who hosts the shootout.
As for "professional calibrator" part, gimme a break. These are the same people who would for years pick TVs which crushed shadow detail like no tomorrow over TVs with slight blooming that didn't - and think nothing of it, as if black & near-black detail was suddenly irrelevant! To say nothing of all the near-defect level of flaws (banding, streaking, uniformity issues of a dirt diaper and on and on it goes) for which they barely wrote a footnote but saw no reason not to shower said TVs with awards & praise. It's clear they want to have a job & that means compromising their credibility because they're not gonna call out their benefactors.
The only piece of credible info they ever gave was whatever calman reported, but otherwise? Nah.
Last edited:
If that's what you understood from what I wrote I'm not even gonna waste my time.