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Poll: General Election 2019 voting intention - Dec 1st - 7th

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Rilot, Dec 2, 2019.

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Who will you vote for?

  1. Brexit

    5 vote(s)
    1.5%
  2. Conservative

    96 vote(s)
    29.4%
  3. DUP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Green

    2 vote(s)
    0.6%
  5. Labour

    113 vote(s)
    34.7%
  6. Liberal Democrat

    84 vote(s)
    25.8%
  7. Plaid Cymru

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  8. Sinn Fein

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  9. SNP

    12 vote(s)
    3.7%
  10. TIG

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. UKIP

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  12. Other party

    4 vote(s)
    1.2%
  13. Independant

    3 vote(s)
    0.9%
  14. Spoil ballott

    4 vote(s)
    1.2%
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  1. StriderX

    Caporegime

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 25,402

    and the third partner is constantly running away from you.

    Well except regional parties, but their MO is to run away from the relationship altogether, because of said abuse, even if there is certainly potential to fix our system. Though it’s even more difficult than just voting for that third party nationally.

    Sigh, the Lib Dem’s or a decent new party with no baggage needs to come out on a federalist ticket, I honestly feel it’s not even being discussed... indeed it’s farcically more likely that devolution is going to be ripped up, starting a very serious slide into extremism.

    As much fun breaking apart the UK would be, it’s clearly the second most stupid option available.
     
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  2. JeditOjanen

    Soldato

    Joined: Feb 7, 2011

    Posts: 5,096

    Voting LD isn't strictly a wasted vote there. It won't affect the result, but if the outcome is decided you may as well try to help the party reach the 5% required to recover their deposit.
     
  3. JeditOjanen

    Soldato

    Joined: Feb 7, 2011

    Posts: 5,096

    The Tory voting bloc has traditionally been very stable; most fluctuations in polls are based on turnout. Tory governments - Labour too, for that matter - typically fall when enough of the party base say "I don't want to vote for the clowns in my party". These people don't often cross the floor and vote for the other party, though, they just stay at home. What's been propping up the current chain of Conservative governments for so long is the constant narrative that Labour are terrible. Now I don't care whether you believe this is true, because that isn't important. What is important is that the people who don't want to vote for the clowns in the Tories are now adding "... but I have to because the other side are worse".

    And thus, we have had a seamless media pivot from "Look at this funny photo of a Jew eating a bacon sandwich" to "Labour are anti-Semitic".
     
  4. JeditOjanen

    Soldato

    Joined: Feb 7, 2011

    Posts: 5,096

    Most of the real wets were kicked out before the election. The transformation of the Tories into the BXP is complete. You will hear talk of Tory candidates being Remainers, but it's rubbish. If you vote Tory in this election, you are voting for No Deal Brexit.
     
  5. StriderX

    Caporegime

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 25,402

    Even so there are still a few moderates (Who hate Johnson), even if we assume that any new MP is hard for no deal, there’s a non zero risk for the Tories if they get a small majority.

    Remember this is a party of backstabbers, though it’s also a party of party political serfs... so who knows.

    I think however it’s only the authoritarians left In that camp, the Theresa Mays of the world.
     
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  6. VincentHanna

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 30, 2013

    Posts: 21,024

  7. kinetic747

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Apr 2, 2006

    Posts: 2,187

    Corbyn is making it easy for the Tories. No real Brexit viewpoint to get behind or reject and he's also seen, rightly or wrongly, to sympathize with terrorists. The Tories have failed on everything that matters and yet they're still clear favourites to win the GE, says it all really. :(
     
  8. chroniclard

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 23, 2014

    Posts: 15,826

    Location: Hertfordshire

    Labour is the best chance at a second ref though, that is clear, ultimately the best chance to stop a no benefit to anyone but the elite Brexit. Albeit the odds on them winning are looking slim.
     
  9. BowdonUK

    Mobster

    Joined: Jan 17, 2016

    Posts: 3,769

    Boris got his "worse" deal through because he was seen as a Brexiteer, one of their own. Not like May who was seen as a Remainer and tried to appeal to both wings of her party. Boris took a different path and decided to make a gamble and go all out to the pro-Brexit wing, and even though he lost 20 or so of his MP's he managed to get enough other votes.

    Just to balance things up from the anti-Corbyn posts I've made in the past. I saw this car crash interview with the apparent interim leader of UKIP. I'm not sure what happened to the last leader. But I think in this interview we can really see the calibre of people still remaining in UKIP as hit rock bottom.

    https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/p...nterview-with-sky-news-adam-boulton-1-9160771

    GE2019: UKIP interim leader Pat Mountain's 'cringeworthy car crash' interview with Sky News' Adam Boulton
     
  10. StriderX

    Caporegime

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 25,402

    Pat Mountain after Richard Braine? The humour never stops.
     
  11. joey1211

    Mobster

    Joined: Dec 28, 2003

    Posts: 3,149

    Location: Aberwristwatch

    Was as ready for that interview as Boris's ready meal is for the microwave.

    Loved it when she had to correct herself after saying of Tommy Robinson "because of his association with other racist parties" :p
     
  12. Skillmister

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 3, 2009

    Posts: 19,601

    Location: Wales

    My opinion is the same but it has to be a vote for Labour in my constituency to attempt to stop the Conservatives.
    2015 Conservative won by 4000
    2017 Conservative won by 600
    2019 the previous Conservative winner has stepped down as he isn't happy with the Tories. Replaced by someone from Suffolk (can't see that going down well with the Welsh!) so should be a comfortable Labour win but we'll see
     
  13. ltron

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Aug 30, 2014

    Posts: 2,029

    The Lib Dems are already doing this, they want a federal UK and more devolution to local areas. See their manifesto in the 'Our Plan for Better Politics' under 'Power for the Nations and Regions' and 'Power for Communities'. https://www.libdems.org.uk/plan

    It's a pity that much of the good stuff is towards the end of the manifesto.
     
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  14. ltron

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Aug 30, 2014

    Posts: 2,029

    Agreed, it sends a message there is demand for their policies at least. If you like them that is.
     
  15. Quartz

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 1, 2014

    Posts: 10,704

    Location: Aberdeen

    Still a toss-up between Conservative and Lib Dem.
     
  16. garnett

    Soldato

    Joined: Mar 25, 2008

    Posts: 6,369

    https://tactical.vote/compare

    This one seemingly tells you what all the others are saying and whether they're aligned...
     
  17. Rilot

    Don

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 20,116

    Location: Wargrave, UK

    Well this is interesting. This is the trend over the last 3 polls.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. VincentHanna

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 30, 2013

    Posts: 21,024

    Thanks

    2 for Labour
    2 for Lib Dems
    1 TBC

    I have to do my postal vote soon.
     
  19. PlacidCasual

    Soldato

    Joined: May 13, 2003

    Posts: 6,346

    As much as people repeat the idea that May lost because she campaigned poorly she got 43% of the vote, in almost all other elections that's a thumping majority. What was unusual was the second party getting 40% and almost unheard of outcome. This years elections seems very similar, the Conservatives have a rock solid 40-45% share (depending on your pollster), majority Government territory. The outcome will be decided by how much support Labour gets if they are in the high thirties it will be small majority to hung Parliament. I don't know what they need to be in coalition territory, it probably comes down to how much tactical voting took place at that point.
     
  20. MOOGLEYS

    Capodecina

    Joined: Dec 24, 2004

    Posts: 17,036

    Location: Telford

    Tbh they all seem to me to be a load of useless overprivalged prats and I have no idea who to vote for really. Being a Veteran I cannot vote for anything to do with Corbyn and Borris worries me but at least he seems to be trying. I’m all for Brexit and we voted out so I’m not wanting a re-vote or whatever the technical name is.

    Who will I vote for most likely Borris and his club but tbh I think we are pretty doomed whoever we vote for.

    I might just emigrate.... But where too......
     
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