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Poll: General Election 2019 voting intention - Dec 1st - 7th

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Rilot, Dec 2, 2019.

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Who will you vote for?

  1. Brexit

    5 vote(s)
    1.5%
  2. Conservative

    96 vote(s)
    29.4%
  3. DUP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Green

    2 vote(s)
    0.6%
  5. Labour

    113 vote(s)
    34.7%
  6. Liberal Democrat

    84 vote(s)
    25.8%
  7. Plaid Cymru

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  8. Sinn Fein

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  9. SNP

    12 vote(s)
    3.7%
  10. TIG

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. UKIP

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  12. Other party

    4 vote(s)
    1.2%
  13. Independant

    3 vote(s)
    0.9%
  14. Spoil ballott

    4 vote(s)
    1.2%
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  1. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

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    Location: Plymouth

    The challenge to solving a homelessness problem is these tend to be complex, and to solve it properly would involve overriding or removing the agency of the individuals involved, or ensuring that we don't count anyone who refuses offers of help or is homeless through the consequences of their own choices from the figures.

    What action do you propose to deal with homeless children, while not diminishing the responsibility of the parents?

    Relative poverty, in reality, isn't a measure of poverty, but of inequality, and as such it's a pretty awful measure for actually identifying people who need help, and can also be 'solved' without any meaningful change in individual's lives if they move to 'poverty' +£1

    I guess it depends whether you want to help people, or score political points, as to whether the measure is useful.
     
  2. PlacidCasual

    Soldato

    Joined: May 13, 2003

    Posts: 6,341

    @Evangelion
    Gosh that Economist set of graphs is a nice piece of work. It shows Labour having a substantial lead amongst 18-35 year olds. Now some of those will get more Conservative with age but that’s a true demographic time bomb. It remains to be seen how persistent Labours re-found hard left position is because after Corbyn/McDonnell we’re going to see a thumping Labour majority at some point.

    Interesting the surge in “blue collar” workers for the Conservatives. That was Thatchers secret she pulled in voters not naturally Conservatives. The BXP/Conservatives and Labour/Lib Dem relationships suggest that if the Lib Dem vote stays firm Labour will struggle replicate 2017 and the BXP has only ever been a paper tiger but has probably done its job.
     
  3. Dirk Diggler

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jan 6, 2013

    Posts: 13,999

    I reckon it'll be worth... £20k.

    Expecting people to vote against a £20k compensation payout for altruistic political reasons, is straight out the Project Fear handbook. :p

    They more or less have.
     
  4. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 47,774

    Location: Plymouth

    Not really, I mean we can't expect simple people not to be taken in by simple but dishonest populist measures, but to claim that highlighting the flaws in that position is project fear isn't really accurate.
     
  5. The_Abyss

    Capodecina

    Joined: May 15, 2007

    Posts: 12,805

    Location: Ipswich / Bodham

    Already voted by post - Lib Dem. would normally vote Green but this is the most palatable tactical vote I can make. It doesn’t extend to voting for Corbyn, and my local Conservative MP has an 18,000+ majority.
     
  6. Sankari

    Caporegime

    Joined: Dec 29, 2007

    Posts: 25,034

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia

    If Labour paid me £10,000 to vote for them, I'd spend it all on greyhounds and still vote Lib Dem.
     
  7. matt100

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 31, 2004

    Posts: 12,025

    Location: Surrey

    Ok so it's a video that doesn't mention a single religion by name, that is patently trying to deliver a message of hope and inclusivity but fails to specifically call out jews or stars... Also misses out Buddhists of which there are a similar number in the UK... but whatever...

    Well that's that then, we simply must vote for the party whose muslim ex chairwoman thinks is institutionally islamophobic, the one with the very clearly racist leader. But that's ok right because he's only racist to different coloured people.

    :rolleyes:
     
  8. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 47,774

    Location: Plymouth

  9. D.P.

    Caporegime

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 30,779




    There are 2 separable issues: is the content fake, and how was it disseminated.

    We know the Russians are trying to undermine European and American democracy so it is quite conceivable they were responsible for the leak.
     
  10. Murphy

    Mobster

    Joined: Sep 16, 2018

    Posts: 4,182

    I couldn't find a cut down version of his interview but here's the YouTube link to the full interview and he starts to talk about TTIP after the caller at the 5min mark.
    I don't have a detailed plan but i know one thing for certain it wouldn't include what we've been doing for the last decade.
     
  11. Scania

    Capodecina

    Joined: Nov 25, 2004

    Posts: 24,181

    Location: On the road....

    Given what the polls were saying last time (2017 when May thought she would walk the GE) I wouldn’t bet on it, there’s plenty of people out there who are daft enough to believe Corbyn’s unicorn promises whilst not being old enough to remember a hard left Labour government.....
     
  12. Dirk Diggler

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jan 6, 2013

    Posts: 13,999

    It's utterly condescending and insulting to refer to these pensioners as simple people. They genuinely feel they've been treated unfairly and they have every right to vote for a political party who agrees with them and have pledged to right the wrong as they see it. Suggesting that they should vote against the party pledging compensation because it will create inflation and devalue the payout is textbook Project Fear.
     
  13. JRS

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jun 6, 2004

    Posts: 15,096

    Location: Burton-on-Trent

    It does feel like more should be getting asked about this...

     
  14. Greebo

    Caporegime

    Joined: Jan 20, 2005

    Posts: 35,002

    Location: Co Durham

    So all the things why TTIP was such a **** deal and lots of people voted leave because they thought the EU were going to sign the TTIP even though a lot of eu countries werent happy with it and were going to use their veto unlike our Govt who were massively in favour of TTIP and we were the ones pushing it.

    Then when I made the claims that leaving would mean we would just get TTIP with the US I was told I was scaremongering? :rolleyes:
     
  15. Jono8

    Caporegime

    Joined: May 20, 2007

    Posts: 30,830

    Location: Surrey


    I wouldnt be so sure.

    Final polls a few days before 2017:

    All the other final polls of the campaign:

    • Comres: Con 44%, Lab 34%, Lib Dem 9%, Ukip 5%
    • Surveymonkey: Con 42%, Lab 38%, Lib Dem 6%, Ukip 4%
    • Panelbase: Con 44%, Lab 36%, Lib Dem 7%, Ukip 5%, Green 2%
    • YouGov: Con 42%, Lab 35%, Lib Dem 10%, Ukip 5%, Green 2%
    • BMG: Con 46%, Lab 33%, Lib Dems 8%, Ukip 5%
    • Ipsos MORI: Con 44%, Lab 36%, Lib Dem 7%, UKIP 4%
    • Kantar: Con 43%, Lab 38%, Lib Dem 7%, UKIP 4%


      https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/uk-politics-poll-tracker-2017-10266121


    In fact, i would say those numbers you posted don't look too bad for Labour at this stage.
     
  16. VincentHanna

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 30, 2013

    Posts: 21,002

    Very interesting twitter thread highlighting complete contradictions on Corbyn, often written by the exact same person

    Almost as if the press is determined to confuse the public for its own ends

     
  17. Murphy

    Mobster

    Joined: Sep 16, 2018

    Posts: 4,182

    The reason no one is challenging them on what that paragraph means is because millionaire newspaper owners have spent decades filling peoples heads with the idea that anything with even the slightest whiff of socialism, unionism, or endangering their ability to accumulate yet more wealth, and now all people want is to "get Brexit" done, even if that means ushering in an even more extreme version of the very same liberal economic system that's left them by the wayside and placed the needs and wants of millionaires and corporations above their needs and wants.

    *sigh*, breath, breath, 1, 2 , 3. ;)
     
  18. VincentHanna

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 30, 2013

    Posts: 21,002

    Like Labour said, if they had proposed the NHS today it would be attacked as a Socialist nightmare by the same rightwing press who love it so much.
     
  19. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 47,774

    Location: Plymouth

    Indeed, but Labour have been very critical and made a lot of political capital about Russian interference in the brexit referendum.

    Consistency, not hypocrisy, is what we should expect.
     
  20. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 47,774

    Location: Plymouth

    Beneficiaries of unfair and unjust discrimnation often feel hard done by when the discrimination in their favour ends.

    Suggesting we should pander to such Ill placed feelings is a totally different matter.

    Should the government also be compensating people for the reduction in 'White privilege'?
     
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