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Poll: General Election 2019 voting intention - Nov 15th - 30th

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Rilot, Nov 15, 2019.

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Who will you vote for?

  1. Brexit

    15 vote(s)
    2.9%
  2. Conservative

    148 vote(s)
    28.8%
  3. DUP

    2 vote(s)
    0.4%
  4. Green

    3 vote(s)
    0.6%
  5. Labour

    137 vote(s)
    26.7%
  6. Liberal Democrats

    161 vote(s)
    31.3%
  7. Plaid Cymru

    3 vote(s)
    0.6%
  8. Sinn Fein

    1 vote(s)
    0.2%
  9. SNP

    20 vote(s)
    3.9%
  10. TIG

    1 vote(s)
    0.2%
  11. UKIP

    2 vote(s)
    0.4%
  12. Other party

    5 vote(s)
    1.0%
  13. Independant

    2 vote(s)
    0.4%
  14. Spoil ballot

    14 vote(s)
    2.7%
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  1. garnett

    Soldato

    Joined: Mar 25, 2008

    Posts: 6,056

    What's the point, if you can't decide whether you trust your own source?

    Doubtless Corbyn with an unfettered mandate (impossible) is probably as bad an idea as Johnson with an unfettered mandate (which you seem eager for).

    As I said from the start, my point was about the company you keep, and the sources of information you seem to accept without scrutiny.

    As it's that unthinking approach - taken by so many seemingly naive voters - that caused this Brexit shambles, it's a fairly crucial flaw the UK needs to fix.
     
  2. Murphy

    Mobster

    Joined: Sep 16, 2018

    Posts: 3,696

    Is that why the government are preparing a fishing industry compensation scheme for no-deal Brexit?
    So are you saying his description of the events are incorrect?
     
  3. footman

    Mobster

    Joined: Oct 21, 2002

    Posts: 3,895

    Do you seriously think that making a “UK-exclusive” fishing zone will go unchallenged? The EU will do everything in it’s considerable power to thwart this unilateral act of what amounts to an act of trade war when related to our previous level of cooperation. The easiest thing would be to slap immediate tariffs on our fish exports to the EU which I believe to be a major part of the UK fishing fleets catch. There will be other repercussions.
     
  4. Dirk Diggler

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jan 6, 2013

    Posts: 13,616

    It was put to you that Johnson was a hypocrite for his brutal criticism of single mothers when he himself is a deadbeat dad. You replied with this, followed by the video of Corbyn.

    Now you've got the nerve to criticise others for the same tactics. And you want to be taken seriously?

    There's a reason why JRM is being kept in his coffin, and there's a reason why Johnson is avoiding TV interviews. They think they have it in the bag, and they know that every time they open their mouths they lose some more votes. The Conservative campaign has now turned into the political equivalent of running down the clock in football when you're 2 goals up from the first leg.

    Like the election leaflets coming through the door; no positive reasons to vote for the candidate, it's all "if you vote for the opposition disaster awaits". Now the debate here is turning into the same theme; refuse to discuss the points and attack the opposition instead.
     
  5. Nitefly

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Sep 24, 2005

    Posts: 32,151

    It amazes me the extent that fishing territory seems to be such a big ‘puzzle piece’. What fraction of our economy is based on that?

    Must be because it’s territory based, so we can push things around on a stick on one of those ‘war maps’.
     
  6. robgmun

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 30, 2006

    Posts: 15,772

    Location: London

    It's only small because of what happened to it in the last 20 years. When we have control of our fishing again it can grow into a substantial industry again.
     
  7. 200sols

    Mobster

    Joined: Jan 14, 2018

    Posts: 3,899

    Location: Hampshire

    You mean.... we can rape the seas again and cause fish sticks to fall dangerously low again?
     
  8. garnett

    Soldato

    Joined: Mar 25, 2008

    Posts: 6,056

    Quartz (and robgmun too by the look of things) have been led to believe Brexit will allow UK fishing to overtake our entire digital sector.

    It's staggeringly stupid, and a result of the Brexit press brainwashing, but Quartz in particular is too stubborn and proud to admit his mistake in getting duped to the amazing degree he has been mugged, and is sticking by it - although he's trying to revision, and caveat - and I'm expecting him to blame remoaners when it doesn't.
     
  9. Murphy

    Mobster

    Joined: Sep 16, 2018

    Posts: 3,696

    Did you not read how the government are preparing to disburse hardship funding for the fishing industry? I mean that's the polar opposite of growing into a substantial industry again.
     
  10. robgmun

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 30, 2006

    Posts: 15,772

    Location: London

    Or we can just claim back our waters that are already been fished by other countries, we might even reduce the amount we have to fish as much as our waters will only be feeding our country and cease supporting multiple countries. I really lament this 2-dimensional thinking

    We'll have to do this in the short term to stop our industry from disappearing altogether before it can get going again. No point getting our waters back but no one to fish them. I can't see it being a long term solution
     
  11. Quartz

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 1, 2014

    Posts: 10,422

    Location: Aberdeen


    We managed in 1971. I expect we'll manage in 2020.

    Fishery management has advanced considerably in the past decades. Fish farms & the like are now routine.
     
  12. Quartz

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 1, 2014

    Posts: 10,422

    Location: Aberdeen

    I meant making money from the fishing grounds. Boats aren't built overnight.
     
  13. mid_gen

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Dec 20, 2004

    Posts: 9,334

    What will happen to the fisheries after Brexit is that we will make our own quota system to replace the existing one, and sell off our quotas to the highest (foreign) bidders. Free market in action, this is Conservative economics.
     
  14. footman

    Mobster

    Joined: Oct 21, 2002

    Posts: 3,895

    Laughable, you're in denial and beyond hope.
     
  15. Murphy

    Mobster

    Joined: Sep 16, 2018

    Posts: 3,696

    That returns us to the question on whether Johnson can, or even intends to, sort out some sort of trade agreement in a time frame that all but the Conservatives say is impossible and that they're going to favor an industry already on life support, all evidence points to you being wrong, do you have something more substantial than hope and feelings to substantiate your assumption?
    ^^That^^

    It's happened before and it will happen again, if you want to see how it will turn out just look at how the mining industry was wound down and how the government 'helped' those regions 'recover'.
     
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2019
  16. Quartz

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 1, 2014

    Posts: 10,422

    Location: Aberdeen

    We'll see.
     
  17. Murphy

    Mobster

    Joined: Sep 16, 2018

    Posts: 3,696

    And by the time we do it will be to late and/or to expensive to do anything about it.
     
  18. garnett

    Soldato

    Joined: Mar 25, 2008

    Posts: 6,056

    Quite - it's an (essentially) unfalsifiable assertion of the weak of thinking.
     
  19. Irish_Tom

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 12,482

    You realise that 75% of the fish caught by UK vessels is exported? And most of the fish eaten by Brits is imported because we only like boneless white fish and prawns?

    So if our fishing fleet is ‘only feeding our country’ the current fleet will be decimated unless Brits radically change their eating habits. Now, this might become a requirement after Brexit [sic] but it’s rather unlikely.

    And you have the audacity to accuse others of two-dimensional thinking. That’s quite impressive.
     
  20. iamtheoneneo

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Mar 15, 2010

    Posts: 9,082

    Location: Bucks

    These two quotes make no sense at all.you cant have a substantial industry without trade, and you cant have good trade without actually having to catch fish. Something the UK fishing industry is not competitive at on any metric used.
    You do understand we live a in time of mass global trade?

    In 2018, we imported 674 thousand tonnes of fish, with a value of £3,194 million. we exported 448 thousand tonnes, leaving a trade gap of 226 thousand tonnes. UK Household consumption of fish is just 477 thousand tonnes.

    Where do we start with your ignorance, lets see:
    Haddock: We are heavily reliant on imports of haddock to meet consumer demand. Imports accounted for a massive 61 per cent of the supply chain.
    Cod: Imports of cod in 2018 stood at 103 thousand tonnes, while just 14.5 thousand tonnes were exported.
    Tuna: Virtually all tuna available for use in the UK is from abroad. We imported 109 thousand tonnes of tuna of which 8 thousand tonnes were re-exported. This left 101 thousand tonnes available for domestic use.

    We are good at catching Mackeral though, il give you that, shame no one in the UK wants to actually eat it!
    Mackeral:UK vessels landed 81 thousand tonnes of mackerel. Mackerel imports fell to 14 thousand tonnes and exports fell to 67 thousand tonnes. Less than a third of the supply of mackerel remains in the UK
     
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