Poll: General election voting intentions poll

Voting intentions in the General Election - only use the poll if you intend to vote

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 287 42.0%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 67 9.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 108 15.8%
  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 25 3.7%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 15 2.2%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 36 5.3%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 137 20.0%

  • Total voters
    684
  • Poll closed .
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Some let's look at this job for a guest room cleaner in West Kensington: http://www.gumtree.com/p/housekeepi...ian-or-russian-or-polish-speaking-/1103780205

You're quite right that speaking English is a requirement of the job, but so is the ability to speak Russian, Lithuanian or Polish. Why? What possible reason do you need a cleaner who can speak one of these languages in the UK? I suggest that the advert might as well say "Cleaner required - Russian, Lithuanian or Polish nationals only" because any UK national who is fluent in one of those languages probably isn't going to be working as a cleaner.

Possibly because they have a lot of customers who speak those languages?
 
We must not let Ed Miliband destroy this country.
Could you give me actually examples as to what will cause this?.

Or are you one of those people who blames Labour for the global financial crisis?.

Don't get me wrong, you are free to say that Labour may spend more than they should, or make a few economic blunders - but to imply this is outside of the norm for all political parties or going to be significantly different to the Conservatives is utterly deluded.
 
So let's look at this job for a guest room cleaner in West Kensington: http://www.gumtree.com/p/housekeepi...ian-or-russian-or-polish-speaking-/1103780205

You're quite right that speaking English is a requirement of the job, but so is the ability to speak Russian, Lithuanian or Polish.

I suggest that the advert might as well say "Cleaner required - Russian, Lithuanian or Polish nationals only" because any UK national who is fluent in one of those languages probably isn't going to be working as a cleaner.

But it doesn't say "Cleaner required - Russian, Lithuanian or Polish nationals only" - it says "Must speak ENGLISH and one of the following languages (LITHUANIAN or RUSSIAN or POLISH)".

It's also kind of weird that you would be upset about a Russian, Lithuanian or Polish national "stealing (dat) job" and use it as ram argument for discrimination of native workers and then immediately admit - "because any UK national who is fluent in one of those languages probably isn't going to be working as a cleaner".

I'm going to go with - a hotel in a price bracket that attracts mainly Russian, Lithuanian and/or Polish customer base is looking for a chamber maid/person, they clearly advertise the job as "must speak ENGLISH" as primary requirement, yes, the job does have specific requirements that exclude large number of applicants, but nothing stops one of the tens of thousands bilingual Brits from applying. I honestly don't see the problem. In my book any complaint about it goes straight into the "lap dancer for local night club required" and a fat bloke over 50 getting upset that the advert is apparently discriminating against him territory.
 
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Even more libertarian, ignore immigration entirely and let a completely free and uncontrollered migration of people with market economics resolve th situation. Farge is the exact oposite of a Libertarian, as is the UKIP. There are no borders in a libertarian society, no immigration policies, no anti-gay policies, and a reduction in the police state with removal of excessive prison sentences.

There is room in the libertarian school of though for nationalist policies and tight border controls, the days of pure libertarianism are long dead. UKIP are a form of a libertarian party in most areas, but not around policing and culture, and their immigration policy could go either way depending on the actual implementation.
 

Mock elections at schools are always a recipe for disaster. My school (which is in a very right wing area) once made it onto the front page of Young Communist newspaper.

There was one kid at school who was a staunch communist and he happened to be best mates with the Most Popular Kid in school. The school ran a mock election and it predictably descended into a popularity contest. After a rousing speech by the Most Popular Kid, the communist party won by a landslide.

:D
 
But it doesn't say "Cleaner required - Russian, Lithuanian or Polish nationals only" - it says "Must speak ENGLISH and one of the following languages (LITHUANIAN or RUSSIAN or POLISH)".

It's also kind of weird that you would be upset about a Russian, Lithuanian or Polish national "stealing (dat) job" and use it as ram argument for discrimination of native workers and then immediately admit - "because any UK national who is fluent in one of those languages probably isn't going to be working as a cleaner".

I'm going to go with - a hotel in a price bracket that attracts mainly Russian, Lithuanian and/or Polish customer base is looking for a chamber maid/person, they clearly advertise the job as "must speak ENGLISH" as primary requirement, yes, the job does have specific requirements that exclude large number of applicants, but nothing stops one of the tens of thousands bilingual Brits from applying. I honestly don't see the problem. In my book any complaint about it goes straight into the "lap dancer for local night club required" and a fat bloke over 50 getting upset that the advert is apparently discriminating against him territory.

Fortunately your book counts for sod all. Re-read what you've just written and see if you can figure out how ridiculous your post is. Have you ever stayed in a hotel? If you have did you have many conversations with the cleaning staff?

Suppose your lap dancing advert said "must speak English, and one of Polish, Russian or Lithuanian" - you'd be perfectly fine with that too I imagine, given that I'm sure the job gets given to whichever girl has the best conversational skills all the time :rolleyes:
 
I really don't know who to vote for this time, it's a shame you can't vote for a coalition like we have now really. I like what we've got, the conservatives have been able to do what needed doing to sort out spending without being allowed to go overboard. I'd be afraid of the Conservatives having total control as they'd go far to far and for a start kill the NHS. Labour would just undo all the hard work, everyone would think it's great and then it would all go wrong again in 5 years time and also the thought of an alliance with the SNP would be awful for England, I've always voted Liberal, it's a Cornish thing I think cause everyone down here does and if I'm honest I was just doing what my parents did and never changed but I can't believe a word he says anymore after last time and UKIP are off there rockers IMO and their main issue (immagration) isn't exactly an issue in Cornwall (guess they've all got more sense than to come down here). I think I just want more of the same but theirs no way to actually vote for that.
 
? I suggest that the advert might as well say "Cleaner required - Russian, Lithuanian or Polish nationals only" because any UK national who is fluent in one of those languages probably isn't going to be working as a cleaner.

You suggest it because it supports your biased and warped view on things. Irrelevant to real life, of course.
 
I really don't know who to vote for this time, it's a shame you can't vote for a coalition like we have now really. I like what we've got, the conservatives have been able to do what needed doing to sort out spending without being allowed to go overboard. I'd be afraid of the Conservatives having total control as they'd go far to far and for a start kill the NHS. Labour would just undo all the hard work, everyone would think it's great and then it would all go wrong again in 5 years time and also the thought of an alliance with the SNP would be awful for England, I've always voted Liberal, it's a Cornish thing I think cause everyone down here does and if I'm honest I was just doing what my parents did and never changed but I can't believe a word he says anymore after last time and UKIP are off there rockers IMO and their main issue (immagration) isn't exactly an issue in Cornwall (guess they've all got more sense than to come down here). I think I just want more of the same but theirs no way to actually vote for that.
It's a difficult choice most definitely.
 
You suggest it because it supports your biased and warped view on things. Irrelevant to real life, of course.

But probably not irrelevant to those who are excluded from certain sizeable segments of the jobs market because they aren't foreign. I may be biased (who isn't?) and warped, but at least I don't suffer from the middle-class myopia that's prevalent here.
 
But probably not irrelevant to those who are excluded from certain sizeable segments of the jobs market because they aren't foreign. I may be biased (who isn't?) and warped, but at least I don't suffer from the middle-class myopia that's prevalent here.

Given that there's no increase in unemployment associated with increased immigration, what evidence is there that people are being excluded from potential jobs because they aren't foreign to a sufficient degree that it matters?

I'm quite sure that there are people who are deliberately choosing foreign workers over British workers, just as there are a large number of employers who would favour the British worker. What needs to be shown is that this is actually a big problem as opposed to a relatively isolated issue; and, no, posting the odd job ads you know nothing about because they're asking for particular language skills doesn't cut it.
 
But probably not irrelevant to those who are excluded from certain sizeable segments of the jobs market because they aren't foreign. I may be biased (who isn't?) and warped, but at least I don't suffer from the middle-class myopia that's prevalent here.

There is nothing stopping an unemployed Brit who wants to be eligible to apply for the previously mentioned jobs as a supervisor of a cleaning team from learning Russian. A job listing with certain language requirements is not discrimination based on nationality no matter how much you want it to be, and it's entirely reasonable considering the location of the job.
 
There is nothing stopping an unemployed Brit who wants to be eligible to apply for the previously mentioned jobs as a supervisor of a cleaning team from learning Russian. A job listing with certain language requirements is not discrimination based on nationality no matter how much you want it to be, and it's entirely reasonable considering the location of the job.

Ridiculous. I bet your attitude would change PDQ if the sort of jobs you were interested in applying for started having unreasonable foreign language requirements.
 
The job in question is a supervisory role for a housekeeping department. At a hotel. In London. It's not unreasonable to want someone who can speak fluent English to their managers, and manage people who may only have a basic grasp of English by communicating in a language they are more comfortable with using (because it's probably their native language).

Call it ridiculous if you want, listing language requirements for a job is no more outrageous than requiring certain qualifications. If you see it as a way of legally discriminating against a certain nationality then so be it.
 
The job in question is a supervisory role for a housekeeping department. At a hotel. In London. It's not unreasonable to want someone who can speak fluent English to their managers, and manage people who may only have a basic grasp of English by communicating in a language they are more comfortable with using (because it's probably their native language).

Call it ridiculous if you want, listing language requirements for a job is no more outrageous than requiring certain qualifications. If you see it as a way of legally discriminating against a certain nationality then so be it.

That's pathetic - are you that much of a walk-over in real life too? If that were the case then why is only one out of Russian/Polish/Lithuanian required? You do not need to be fluent in a foreign language to supervise cleaners, you just don't. You need to be fluent in Russian if you are a Russian translator, or you buy or sell things in Russia
 
That's pathetic - are you that much of a walk-over in real life too? If that were the case then why is only one out of Russian/Polish/Lithuanian required? You do not need to be fluent in a foreign language to supervise cleaners, you just don't. You need to be fluent in Russian if you are a Russian translator, or you buy or sell things in Russia

I don't see how having a different opinion on something you do relates to whether I am a walk-over or not, but congratulations on getting that out of your system I guess. If you can't see how you need to be able to communicate with people you supervise in a language that both parties understand then I can understand why you might be worried about your job being 'taken' by someone from another country.
 
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