Poll: General election voting poll round 3
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The issue is not the money the top 1% earns, the issue is minimum wage is below the minimum living wage, it is simply to low. To make it a living wage requires significant benefits, i.e. taxiing those above minimum wage to pay for those on minimum wage. This is wasteful and inefficient at best. Much better to ensure those that are in full time work are guaranteed a living wage and don't need benefits to top them up to the same extent.
Making high salaries illegal is pointless and ineffective. Taking high salaries above 50% also get less efficient. The best solution is a combination where you have reasonably high taxes on the highest earners and wealthiest AND you also increase the minimum wage to a living wage. In doing so you would need to do less Robin Hood tax approaches to support the poorest.
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Tell me more about this part please.
Teaching economics at Harvard. Not exactly teaching GCSE art, is it?
Cameron has ****ed off the European leaders, has been stone-walled by America and generally the UK has generally been derided by China under his watch.
Obviously Miliband doesn't have as much experience as Cameron but his grounding is better.
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But when this is done through simply raising the minimum wage is all that happens is the people slightly above it are denied increases and become relatively worse off (from a meritocratic P.O.V). The cleaner is suddenly earning 90% of what the office manager does with half the qualifications and none of the hassle.
As I said, if you just raise the minimum, you aren't tackling the real problem (a lack of a genuinly meritocratic salary system) and create a dual system where those below minimum wage are working in a nigh-on communistic model and those at the top aren't. Putting in extra effort and learning new skills are marginally rewarded at the bottom, and massively rewarded at the top.
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It isn't. But unlike Cameron, Miliband hasn't already shown himself to be absolutely inept on the foreign stage.
Why the hell are we still stuck with this pathetic old boys' club arrangement. I want a libertarian meritocracy/technocracy so have zero options really. I said originally I'd vote Tory but am heading away from that now. If I hear David Cameron say, "let me be clear" one more time, I'm going to vomit.
Ironically Farage seems to be the only leader with some real merit (ie: a real job) in the real world.
Voting independent methinks - not that it makes any difference.
Ironically Farage seems to be the only leader with some real merit (ie: a real job) in the real world.
Voting independent methinks - not that it makes any difference.
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Ed Ball's appears to have been practicing Labours spending policy on himself by stocking his fridge, the guy looks about 2 stones heavier then he did a year ago.
As much as I see potential problems in a Labour/SNP coalition, I would much rather prefer it than another Tory government. In a way I see the SNP as being more Labour than the Labour party. If it wasn't for the fact you know Sturgeon will be pushing for another independence referendum, I'd be more than happy with a Labour/SNP coalition.
There are potential problems, but from what I want to see in my government, it's the best offer on the table in this election.
There are potential problems, but from what I want to see in my government, it's the best offer on the table in this election.
you do have a meritocracy it's just it's judged on who can play the politics game and the public image game, rather than who can do the best in their role.
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"I don't accept that."
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His eyes appear to be glazed when he does a sound bite and he's being kept in the background for obvious reasons.
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ion-to-tackle-migrant-deaths-in-mediterranean
Farage saying what most reasonable minded people are thinking about the Mediterranian Boat People crisis. It will be an enormous betrayal of this country if Cameron does some sort of deal that ends up with the UK taking some of these people.
Farage saying what most reasonable minded people are thinking about the Mediterranian Boat People crisis. It will be an enormous betrayal of this country if Cameron does some sort of deal that ends up with the UK taking some of these people.
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The SNP-scarecrow seems to be all the Tories have left and they're not even making any kind of clear argument there. It seems to be 'SNP scary'->?->'Vote Tory'. You might need a little more information in the middle there because the clearest way to weaken the SNP in government is to vote in more Labour MPs.
The Tories are in serious danger of sinking the union.
The Tories are in serious danger of sinking the union.
No you're completely correct, minimum wage and cost of living are linked, raise MW and CoL goes up (sadly the reverse isn't true.
A very simple (non literal) explanation for this: A mechanic gets a raise, hes happy as he now has more money, but that money has to come from somewhere which means his employer must raise prices, soon the mechanic receives a note from the milkman explaining that due to increasing vehicle maintenance costs the price of milk is going up. The next day he finds the price of bread up because the cost of maintaining the delivery trucks has risen, and so on.
It's a very simple example example and shouldn't be taken literally, but that is basically how it works just on a massive scale with many jobs/trades and products/services involved (this is why striking for more money never achieved anything).
milliband on the bbc breakfast was painful to watch.
"so wheres the extra money comming from"
"im prosising that i will only pledge moneywhen i know where its comming from the consertiveis are just wiritng ious"
"where the money comming from"
"we have a rescue plan and i am saying if i promise money i know where its coming from"
Literally infuriating to watch.
why don't interviews just go "no i didn't ask you that i asked where is the 6 billion extra going to come from, all i want to hear is where that's coming from since you claim to know where"
"so wheres the extra money comming from"
"im prosising that i will only pledge moneywhen i know where its comming from the consertiveis are just wiritng ious"
"where the money comming from"
"we have a rescue plan and i am saying if i promise money i know where its coming from"
Literally infuriating to watch.
why don't interviews just go "no i didn't ask you that i asked where is the 6 billion extra going to come from, all i want to hear is where that's coming from since you claim to know where"
Caporegime
Except this isn't factually true. It's based on the kind of spherical horse running in a vacuum economics that led to the credit crunch. But thing is we don't have to have these kinds of airy theoretical discussions any more: minimum wages exist in many countries - accompanied by howling that this will happen - and then raised in many countries - accompanied by more howling - and, every single time, they've turned out to be wrong.
The minimum wage, and increases in the minimum wage, have minimal or non-existent effects on inflation and on employment rates.
Because, of course, the system is (a) far more elastic and (b) less dependent on wage costs than your toy example.
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Labour, i'll show my rear if they 'balance the books', it's not what they do.
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