Craterloads and T345 have been done to death, no use dragging their arguments back up, it was painful to read.
German court rules circumcision is 'bodily harm'
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Craterloads and T345 have been done to death, no use dragging their arguments back up, it was painful to read.
I only started reading the thread 10 minutes ago, didn't relise there had been so many other posts from them with zero content
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why do jews and muslims cut bit of their kids off? (serious question)
who ever wrote / made up their religious texts had some good ideas, like no drinking and not eating pork there is a good reason (or used to be) not to eat pork - somethign about parasites I think..
there must be real reason parents started doing it?
who ever wrote / made up their religious texts had some good ideas, like no drinking and not eating pork there is a good reason (or used to be) not to eat pork - somethign about parasites I think..
there must be real reason parents started doing it?
Most of the stuff that's in those books makes sense in a stone age world. Most of what's in them is stone age thinking...
Don't eat animals which are riddled with disease, cut off a flap of skin where if you're unhygienic germs will breed... etc etc.
It's all hopelessly out of date, but people who believe in religion believe in literally old wives tales.
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Castiel explained a bit earlier in the thread, 2 pages back I think.
thats the made up religious reason, I was wondering if there was an actual real reason (or misunderstanding) for it being done
was it common before the texts were made up? I assume before the texts were made up some people knew pork was not good to eat so added in not eating pork to help people others out...
The ruling simply stated the fact that cutting part of a person's genitals off is bodily harm. It's a bizarre state of affairs when that's a controversial ruling.
Bodily harm is sometimes required for health reasons. For example, an appendectomy might save your life, but it's still bodily harm. Someone is cutting you open and cutting part of your body out - obviously bodily harm.
The key question is whether any particular act of bodily harm is the least harmful course of action. An operation to save your life clearly is. Cutting off part of a defenceless infant's genitals just because it's an old custom clearly isn't.
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So then, female circumcision? Yay or Nay?
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Well, food could have been short back then, maybe the foreskin made a delightful Amuse-bouche?
those people are so stupid they don't even try and justify it with religion ! Really its so different to nob chopping its not really in the same ball park...
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What medical conditions can necessitate a circumcision?
bell too big for its cover is the obvious one...
my friends BF was boning her (front door) and he split his foreskin she said it bled like a $£"£
I know I am maybe a little late in the thread, but having come back to it a second time, I feel i have to say something.
I am a 21 Year old, white, university educated atheist - my parents are both scientists & atheists and I have never had religion, forced or found.
I was circumcised when I was roughly 12, after my foreskin split (it was too tight to begin with) in the toilet in Waitrose while taking a pee. Trust me , it wasn't pleasant when it happened, and it the process of being circumcised wasn't good either.
Somehow or another, it got around school , maybe a careless teacher, that I had the procedure. Now you know what kids can be like, all it took was one persons parent to tell them "Circumcision, that means he has had the end cut off his knob" and my life became trash for as long as it took for people to forget. I cried, I hid, I cradled my todger in my hand and wondered what exactly had been done to me.
If I am honest, this wasn't the end - for misinformed can be found everywhere. I grew up fearing that the first time a girl saw my "little man", she would run off screaming. I didn't have the balls to look it up on the internet, or to ask my friends or family. Every time the subject came up, there was someone , just like so many people on this forum, going "on and on" about how it was mutilation, wrong, sick , weird. You can imagine how this felt, I didn't want sex, I was ashamed, hurt. I knew before my willy even got wet, that "I would never enjoy sex, and neither would my girlfriend".
Eventually the first time came, and i tried to hide my trouser snake as it slipped in - to my surprise sex was amazing, she came, i came - bloody heck, it was marvelous. But afterward, as I pulled out and tried to hide my shiny glans, i felt sick as she noticed...
"Oh , your circumcised, my brother had that done when he was young, its like a little space helmet".
To cut a long story short, none of the women I have slept with had a problem with me and my willy, none of them have minded, and all of them have remarked on how fantastic it was (cross my heart, not just point scoring, you just have to believe me).
Just like for everyone else, some might have lied, some were probably genuine. There is the odd occasion I don't climax, but I have never had a girlfriend complain about a nice long "session", and when I do it always feels fantastic, enough to knock me down to the bed.
tl;dr
I was circumcised for medical reasons, and my childhood was negatively impacted, not by the procedure, but by those people, like many of those in this forum who think I was "mutilated" or "have the end of my knob cut off". Thanks for making me feel like rubbish, like a mutant, like a second rate man.
Its funny, I agree it shouldn't be forced on children at all, its not right to make that decision for them. Just try engaging your brain before you you make such sweeping, upsetting generalizations in the name of making your point.
Sorry for the hurt baby rant
Considering I haven't even told my best friend , do me a favor and be gentle, it took balls. No pun intended.
I am a 21 Year old, white, university educated atheist - my parents are both scientists & atheists and I have never had religion, forced or found.
I was circumcised when I was roughly 12, after my foreskin split (it was too tight to begin with) in the toilet in Waitrose while taking a pee. Trust me , it wasn't pleasant when it happened, and it the process of being circumcised wasn't good either.
Somehow or another, it got around school , maybe a careless teacher, that I had the procedure. Now you know what kids can be like, all it took was one persons parent to tell them "Circumcision, that means he has had the end cut off his knob" and my life became trash for as long as it took for people to forget. I cried, I hid, I cradled my todger in my hand and wondered what exactly had been done to me.
If I am honest, this wasn't the end - for misinformed can be found everywhere. I grew up fearing that the first time a girl saw my "little man", she would run off screaming. I didn't have the balls to look it up on the internet, or to ask my friends or family. Every time the subject came up, there was someone , just like so many people on this forum, going "on and on" about how it was mutilation, wrong, sick , weird. You can imagine how this felt, I didn't want sex, I was ashamed, hurt. I knew before my willy even got wet, that "I would never enjoy sex, and neither would my girlfriend".
Eventually the first time came, and i tried to hide my trouser snake as it slipped in - to my surprise sex was amazing, she came, i came - bloody heck, it was marvelous. But afterward, as I pulled out and tried to hide my shiny glans, i felt sick as she noticed...
"Oh , your circumcised, my brother had that done when he was young, its like a little space helmet".
To cut a long story short, none of the women I have slept with had a problem with me and my willy, none of them have minded, and all of them have remarked on how fantastic it was (cross my heart, not just point scoring, you just have to believe me).
Just like for everyone else, some might have lied, some were probably genuine. There is the odd occasion I don't climax, but I have never had a girlfriend complain about a nice long "session", and when I do it always feels fantastic, enough to knock me down to the bed.
tl;dr
I was circumcised for medical reasons, and my childhood was negatively impacted, not by the procedure, but by those people, like many of those in this forum who think I was "mutilated" or "have the end of my knob cut off". Thanks for making me feel like rubbish, like a mutant, like a second rate man.
Its funny, I agree it shouldn't be forced on children at all, its not right to make that decision for them. Just try engaging your brain before you you make such sweeping, upsetting generalizations in the name of making your point.
Sorry for the hurt baby rant
Considering I haven't even told my best friend , do me a favor and be gentle, it took balls. No pun intended.
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Are anyone else's eyes watering?
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tl;dr
I was circumcised for medical reasons, and my childhood was negatively impacted, not by the procedure, but by those people, like many of those in this forum who think I was "mutilated" or "have the end of my knob cut off". Thanks for making me feel like rubbish, like a mutant, like a second rate man.
Its funny, I agree it shouldn't be forced on children at all, its not right to make that decision for them. Just try engaging your brain before you you make such sweeping, upsetting generalizations in the name of making your point.
Sorry for the hurt baby rant
Very few if any people here are making those kind of statements towards those who have had it done for medical reasons. I certainly don't see a problem with it. It sucks that there is such negative stigma towards it for people in your situation, but it's hardly surprising when doing it for religious reasons is such a ridiculous practice.
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Nope, because i'm not a child and I understand why its done for medical reasons.