German court rules circumcision is 'bodily harm'

krooton said:
Cutting your nails or hair, not bodily harm.

Cutting of skin, blood vessels and nerve endings? :rolleyes:
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Again.... I'm circumcised... And guess what. I'm not sitting in the corner of a dark room rocking back and forth in a wooden chair, traumatised about what happened well over 20 years ago lol :rolleyes:

My penis is 100% healthy. This myth that its bad and harmful is ridiculous lol.
 
DAIR said:
I'd hardly call this bodily harm.

I was circumcised when I was a baby. I'm glad my parents made that decision.

I'll have my sons (if/when I have them) circumcised too. The foreskin does nothing but hold dirt and grime.
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You failed human biology in school didn't you?
 
DAIR said:
Again.... I'm circumcised... And guess what. I'm not sitting in the corner of a dark room rocking back and forth in a wooden chair, traumatised about what happened well over 20 years ago lol :rolleyes:

My penis is 100% healthy. This myth that its bad and harmful is ridiculous lol.
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So as long as things are done before you possess the mental faculty required to be traumatised by them, it's A-OK?

Brb, going to lop off some new-born earlobes because some book told me to.
 
krooton said:
So as long as things are done before you possess the mental faculty required to be traumatised by them, it's A-OK?

Brb, going to lop off some new-born earlobes because some book told me to.
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I can't speak for everyone. This is my opinion based on personal experience.

I stand before you, a man without foreskin :D
 
DAIR said:
Again.... I'm circumcised... And guess what. I'm not sitting in the corner of a dark room rocking back and forth in a wooden chair, traumatised about what happened well over 20 years ago lol :rolleyes:

My penis is 100% healthy. This myth that its bad and harmful is ridiculous lol.
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why would you want cut a body part off for anything other than medical reasons or personal choice?

getting a kids forskin cut of is jsut pointless, if they really believe in the religion then they can have it done at say 18 - at least then its personal choice and proves their devotion...

The only reason I can see it being forced on babys is because everyone knows its gonna hurt and they know that is it was banned until the age of X almost no one will have it done...
 
edscdk said:
why would you want cut a body part off for anything other than medical reasons or personal choice?

getting a kids forskin cut of is jsut pointless, if they really believe in the religion then they can have it done at say 18 - at least then its personal choice and proves their devotion...

The only reason I can see it being forced on babys is because everyone knows its gonna hurt and they know that is it was banned until the age of X almost no one will have it done...
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Indeed, in fact as Craterloads himself posted:

Craterloads said:
I listed about 11 in my earlier post. plus when of consenting age its a bigger decision, no one wants to get the "chop" as an adult.
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There is a reason for that!
 
DAIR said:
I'll have my sons (if/when I have them) circumcised too. The foreskin does nothing but hold dirt and grime.
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Do you have evidence of this? Personal experience is not a good enough reason to start cutting bits off your children.

Most people would find the act of causing harm to any child, let alone your own, as morally repugnant.
 
Gackt said:
Do you have evidence of this? Personal experience is not a good enough reason to start cutting bits off your children.

Most people would find the act of causing harm to any child, let alone your own, as morally repugnant.
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Okay so perhaps my claim that it does "nothing" but conceal grime was ott. But no more ott than some of the madness I've read within this thread.

Your thoughts on the procedure are your own. You "believe" it is harmful and immoral.... Whereas I know it isn't (if done correctly).

The reason behind the procedure varies... Religious, cultural, medical and then you just have plain choice. Now I can understand why people think its wrong to do such things to children.... But one could say its no different from piercing a baby's ears.
 
Are all circumcised people this delusional?

I suppose you're forced to defend something when it's irreversible. I think that's what is happening here.
 
Robbo said:
Are all circumcised people this delusional?

I suppose you're forced to defend something when it's irreversible. I think that's what is happening here.
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I'm sorry but what on earth do you believe happens to someone after they have been circumcised?

I'd really love to know.
 
DAIR said:
I can't speak for everyone. This is my opinion based on personal experience.

I stand before you, a man without foreskin :D
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You should probably look in to having your eyelids removed, they could hold dirt and grime under there and also remove your finger and toe nails. Better remove your butt cheeks too, etc etc. :)
 
DAIR said:
Okay so perhaps my claim that it does "nothing" but conceal grime was ott. But no more ott than some of the madness I've read within this thread.

Your thoughts on the procedure are your own. You "believe" it is harmful and immoral.... Whereas I know it isn't (if done correctly).

The reason behind the procedure varies... Religious, cultural, medical and then you just have plain choice. Now I can understand why people think its wrong to do such things to children.... But one could say its no different from piercing a baby's ears.
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Asside from piercing babies ears being wrong ... The earlobes can heal, rather quickly actually. How long did it take for your forskin to grow back?

The only reason for *any* debate on this matter (beyond medical need, which is darn rare) is because of religion being brought into it. If it wasn't okd by some religious book (like homophobia and slavery are) no-one would allow this to happen.
 
DAIR said:
But one could say its no different from piercing a baby's ears.
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one could NOT say that at all in any way....

most people would NOT peirce a babys ears.

even if it is done the hole can be left to heal.

if you asked 1 million 20 year only guys "ears peirces or foreskin off" you know full well what the answer from 99% would be..

ALSO your reasons "Religious, cultural, and then you just have plain choice" DO NOT apply to a baby since it cannot make the choice only medical reasons can be jsutified...
 
Robbo said:
Are all circumcised people this delusional?

I suppose you're forced to defend something when it's irreversible. I think that's what is happening here.
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Many cognitive biases exist which explain this kind of behaviour.

It's why fat women are "curvy", balm men are "manly", gingers are "redheads" & short people have "better personalities".

We add positive spins onto our flaws to avoid the miserable conclusion that we (as people) are fat, bald, ginger or short (btw, I don't actually think there is much wrong with the above, but people do feel self concious about having those traits quite often).

It must be hard to admit that your own parents mutilated your genitalia as a baby.
 
elmarko1234 said:
Many cognitive biases exist which explain this kind of behaviour.

It's why fat women are "curvy", balm men are "manly", gingers are "redheads" & short people have "better personalities".

We add positive spins onto our flaws to avoid the miserable conclusion that we (as people) are fat, bald, ginger or short (btw, I don't actually think there is much wrong with the above, but people do feel self concious about having those traits quite often).

It must be hard to admit that your own parents mutilated your genitalia as a baby.
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Lol let the madness commence
 
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