German court rules circumcision is 'bodily harm'

RDM · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:09

estebanrey said:
Clearly you've forgotten the context of what was being said.

How about previous to that when you somehow decided that Catholics weren't Christians?

estebanrey said:
StriderX thought they were two completely separate things (he said he thought Jews read the Torah but felt corrected when you said Tenakh), I was trying to point out that the Torah is part of the Tenakh and not something completely different.

Just like the Tenakh is part of the Bible, they aren't separate and the Bible isn't exclusive to Christianity.

The Bible is exclusive to Christianity. It just happens to contain some parts of the Tenakh (it does not contain all of the Tenakh).

Much like when Mohammed (or whoever was drafting the Koran) decided to include parts of the Jewish and Christian myths when he created the Islamic myth.

estebanrey · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:09

spoffle said:
It's painful to read.

Corrected

Craterloads · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:10

spoffle said:
So if God and his actions are always perfect, and you believe foreskins are to the detriment of a man, then that means God and his actions aren't always perfect if you require the removal of the foreskin.

Faceplam image go heres ... Research why muslims have circumcision done.

god also created cancer, aids ... what nt else

estebanrey · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:10

RDM said:
How about previous to that when you somehow decided that Catholics weren't Christians?

I've never said this.

T345 · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:10

+1 for thread closure,
THE CHILDREN ARE NOT YOUR CHILDREN! Their parents pay a lot of money for it to happen, not sure why you are angry

Castiel · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:11

estebanrey said:
Are you lot thick or are you winding me up?

The Torah/Tenakh are the first five books of the Old Testament, ergo part of the Bible.

The Torah and the Tanakh are not the same thing....The Torah is also different from the Christian Old Testament in several ways, the main one being that it is not simply The Pentateuch, but it includes the Oral Torah as well.

However, the point being that while the Christian Bible includes the Pentateuch, it is not the Torah and it is commonly referred to as The Bible whereas the Hebrew Bible is referred to as The Tanakh (and the Masoretic texts that form the equivalent of the Christian Old Testament.) And the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Bible are not the same or are they referred to in the same way.

RDM · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:11

Craterloads said:
Dude what are you babbling on about now, i was merely pointing to the fact you keep trying to drag my personal faith into something which i have clearly tried to keep seperate.

Because your main reason for believing infant circumcision to be a good thing is because of your personal faith? How is it not relevant?

Craterloads said:
Like the "just be honest and say its due to a 1400 year old book" type comments

Which you have repeated various times, in some form of another.

Which part of the comment is incorrect?

StriderX · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:11

Craterloads said:
Faceplam image go heres ... Research why muslims have circumcision done.

god also created cancer, aids ... what nt else

I dislike this god very much.

Craterloads · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:12

zenf1 said:
I honestly am sorry that you see it that way, that's really not my intention. I really don't really care what you believe or what religion you belong to, but I can't help but see circumcising babies, without it being necessary, as a fundamentally wrong and sick thing to do.

Im happy for you and respect your opinion and i think it is valid if that is actualy your concern. too many times peoples opinions are just veiled attacks against religion and they use any platform to do so. but like i said i respect anyones opinion if they are genuinly just concerened for the child.

peace out, time to eat

spoffle · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:12

Craterloads said:
Faceplam image go heres ... Research why muslims have circumcision done.

god also created cancer, aids ... what nt else

I'm not talking about "why" it's done, I'm pointing out that your belief in circumcision being mandatory (you even said fundamental) is a criticism of the actions of God.

God's actions aren't perfect if he creates man with a foreskin then demands they be removed. That's by definition, a design fault.

Castiel · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:13

estebanrey said:
Just like the Tenakh is part of the Bible, they aren't separate and the Bible isn't exclusive to Christianity.

The Tenakh is not part of the Bible.

RDM · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:13

estebanrey said:
I've never said this.

It was pretty much implied in post #752...

Moothead2 · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:13

Craterloads said:
Dude what are you babbling on about now, i was merely pointing to the fact you keep trying to drag my personal faith into something which i have clearly tried to keep seperate.

Like the "just be honest and say its due to a 1400 year old book" type comments

Which you have repeated various times, in some form of another.

How can you keep it separate when it's the sole reason you're for circumcision?

RDM · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:14

T345 said:
+1 for thread closure,
THE CHILDREN ARE NOT YOUR CHILDREN! Their parents pay a lot of money for it to happen, not sure why you are angry

I am not angry, though you do seem to be getting a little het up.

As for "THE CHILDREN ARE NOT YOUR CHILDREN!" do we really need to go in to why that is such a poor argument? You do not own children, they are not yours to do with as you wish.

estebanrey · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:14

Castiel said:
The Torah and the Tanakh are not the same thing....The Torah is also different from the Christian Old Testament in several ways, the main one being that it is not simply The Pentateuch, but it includes the Oral Torah as well.

I've never claimed anything to the contrary.

All I've said is the Bible isn't exclusive to Christianity which was originally claimed.

T345 · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:15

RDM said:
I am not angry, though you do seem to be getting a little het up.

As for "THE CHILDREN ARE NOT YOUR CHILDREN!" do we really need to go in to why that is such a poor argument? You do not own children, they are not yours to do with as you wish.

Well, doesn't the mother give the child the gift of life?

Moothead2 · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:16

T345 said:
Well, doesn't the mother give the child the gift of life?

And? So you're fine with parents hitting children or even killing them?

moogle · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:16

T345 said:
+1 for thread closure,
THE CHILDREN ARE NOT YOUR CHILDREN! Their parents pay a lot of money for it to happen, not sure why you are angry

MOST STUPID ARGUMENT FOR IT EVER! I paid a lot of money to raise these kids so I can do whatever I want!

Including beating them, abusing them and even killing them right? Because they're not anyone else's but mine?

spoffle · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:16

T345 said:
Well, doesn't the mother give the child the gift of life?

You're coming across as very very indoctrinated.

RDM · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:16

T345 said:
Well, doesn't the mother give the child the gift of life?

No, both parents play a role in that. Maybe you are too young to have all the details....

Regardless that does not give them ownership of the child. You do not own a child, you cannot do whatever you wish with a child just because it is yours.