No, its not. Logic requires evidence. The very defenition of the word demands it.
Scientific research is entirely logic based, and is pretty much the pursuit of evidence.
German court rules circumcision is 'bodily harm'
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No, its not. Logic requires evidence. The very defenition of the word demands it.
Scientific research is entirely logic based, and is pretty much the pursuit of evidence.
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Yes thats what i said
Actualy i said its no point discusing religion with athiests as its beyong thier comprehension and am discussing it along the lines which THEY choose aka medical/cons/benifits.
I don't find religion beyond comprehension at all. Religion is something that is very obvious and deliberate to me.
Regarding your medical benefits, of which I openly accept that there are as you have statistically proven, the flaw in your argument is that you present them as raw percentages. i.e. you're 50% less likely to get HIV from an unprotected sexual encounter. This doesn't actually become a real number till you apply the statistic to the real life situation at which stage you start dealing with actual numbers such as 1 in 5000. Offering a percentage argument doesn't actually mean anything until it is contextualised at which stage (in my opinion and in many others opinions) the numbers no longer support the mandatory foreskin removal at all.
My argument is that your argument does not hold up to the numbers and as a result it boils down to your primary reason which is... religion.
So as religion is the primary reason, please offer a logical and tangible reason as to why it makes sense to circumcise an infant?
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Im sure it would hear about it often condiering 37% of the entire male population are circumcised. no/
I was talking older people who had it done for religious reasons in that instance. For example some countries have circumcisions done in their teens.
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No it's not. There are a myriad of reasons why poo smells.
Poo smells because of the chemical composition of substances that the body filters out as waste. The body does a good job of getting rid of these substances, the smell is inconsequential.
If humans were designed then allowing humans to accidentally harm themselves from a reflex action has no positive purpose and so suggests that the designer was not all that intelligent.
Yes, because I'm sure older men love to talk about having a part of their penis cut off.
What are they going to do, talk about how bad the thing that God told them to do is? Of course not and they probably would have liked it done when they were a child because it'll be uncomfortable for a while having the glands of the penis rubbing against their clothing at least until they get used to it.
i dunno about that, we designed robotic arms, but they have issues where they go into gimble lock and so try to do a 180 degree flip instantly smashing the **** out of everything around them.
Intelligent doesn't mean infallible.
but then again god is meant to be infallible so not the same.
Genesis 17:22
"And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed."
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Now that you agree there are medical benifts it boils down to the indvidual parents if they think the procedure is worthy or not for the said benifits (however miniscule you feel they are) Along the lines of having scar inducing vaccine jabs as a baby (regardless of how great/miniscule you feel the benifits are) In your opinion the numbers dont provide a mandatory reason, lets be clear on that.
Whats the point discussing religion with people who are athiest and find religion illogical? Anyhow as a way of identification and belonging to that paticular faith. islam also describes the medical benifits of said procedure, as is proven my modern science. IF the billions of people that have had circumcision done as an infants were complaining in any significant number, let just say 5% of them, then you would have a point. But that is not the case, i have never come accross anyone who regrets having it done as an infant. Quite contrary, you will find people who have had it done as an adult for religious reasons and they wish they had it done as an infant
To be fair, I have a higher expectation of intelligence from an omnipotent being. I can forgive humans the odd screw up.
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Why not? if i had issues against it i would bring it up. Where all adults here. If people had issues with being circumcised you would here about it, but you dont apart from maybe isolated cases. 37% of the total male population, surely you would here or read about this on a large scale?
Because like I said, you can't be an unbiased judge if you never had one. The reason is because not having a foreskin isn't the be all and end all and isn't something men are going to kick up a fuss about either because it's part of their religion and they'd be shunned for it or because they did it for medical reasons. That being said if 5 people wish they hadn't had it done it's reason enough not to force it on a child.
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Which one? where and how does that relate to what i said?
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Really interesting debate on the subject. Although I suspect the title will put the religious folk off from watching it. But just so you know Matt Dillahunty is far from lacking the ability to 'comprehend' religion, he is a former pastor and knows the Bible like the back of his hand...
Straight away it's really interesting that until Victorian times circumcision wasn't popular at all, it only started to become popular after (in the US anyway)...
Straight away it's really interesting that until Victorian times circumcision wasn't popular at all, it only started to become popular after (in the US anyway)...
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Why not? if i had issues against it i would bring it up. Where all adults here. If people had issues with being circumcised you would here about it, but you dont apart from maybe isolated cases. 37% of the total male population, surely you would here or read about this on a large scale?
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Well Jen Peeps states that it was then they started having ideas about it being a 'cure' for masturbation.