Gig venues - an old mans rant

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After reading the Tenacious D thread this got me thinking about venues.


My first gig was Status Quo in 1971 at the Victoria Hall in Hanley and if you stood at the back it was about 4 goals from the stage (32 yards).
My second gig was in 1971 and I saw Led Zeppelin at Trentham Gardens. Trentham Gardens was a ballroom and looked massive however if you stood at the back you were probably the length of 6 goals away from the stage (48 yards).
These two places was where I watched all the most famous bands and you could touch them eg Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Queen, Pink Floyd, Uriah Heep, Alex Harvey, Led Zeppelin, Yes, ELP, Thin Lizzy and a thousand others. Most of them came around every year too. Imagine the experience of virtually standing next to these bands who were basically playing in a big pub.
Around the mid 70's came the first 'big' venue with Bingley Hall and I can't be sure who the first band was but I remember walking in and being disgusted that the band was so far away if I ended up at the back (90 yards). (Incidentally I'm gigging there next wednesday). I saw hundreds of bands there including The Who (with Keith), Rolling Stones, Boston, Rainbow, Sabbath, Styx, Lizzy, Genesis, Floyd etc and once again because the place could only sell x amount of tickets you were never more than 45 yards from the satge (close enough to touch).
I went to Earls Court in 75 to watch Zeppelin and was disgusted at the size of it. It was not a nice experience to watch a band in because of how far we were from the stage. They were the first band to use screens so at least you could see something. It was also recorded as the loudest gig ever but not where I was sitting.
So basically up until the end of the 70's I was watching great bands like Rush, Kiss, Ted Nugent in 'picture houses' like the Manchester Apollo and Birmingham Odeon and our own Victoria Hall and slightly bigger places like Bingley Hall but then the rot set in.
I can't remember the first time but in 1980 I went to see Bruce Springsteen at the NEC and it was the beginning of the end for me. It was 24 years later when I decided to go see Rush at the same place but watching a band in a venue like that is crap.
I'm not a big fan of Maiden and I've seen them at least 6 times during their early years but I take my hat off them during the late 80's when they decided to stop playing the big arenas and got back to playing the small halls and they came to Victoria Hall again. They built a stage in front of the normal one and where I was sitting in the balcony I could have touched Bruce. However, playing to only about 1200 people would mean a great big loss.
I feel sorry for the young generation who have never seen their favourite bands at a decent size gig and have to put up with matchstick men about one inch high.
 
dmpoole said:
I feel sorry for the young generation who have never seen their favourite bands at a decent size gig and have to put up with matchstick men about one inch high.

Well thats not true. :)

I've seen most of my favourite bands at the Astoria or something similar in size. The last gig i went to was at the Brixton Academy (my first time there! :eek: ) and i thought it was great. A bit bigger iirc but the sloping floor made up for it, and you can always get as close as you want in a venue that size. It's been either that or the smaller tents at Reading or the Warped Tour.

I'd agree with you though, i'm not a big fan of stadium gigs. I've seen U2 at Wembley and The Verve in some stadium in LA. I remember them both being great (i was fairly young at the time), but it seems they 'use' the stadium atmosphere a little too much. Like they rely on it or something. Because at the end of the day -- arent the acoustics crap, and you end up watching a screen anyway? :)
 
It's one of the reasons I usually stick to watching lesser known bands, as I like to actually watch the performers play their instruments. There's a blues club near me in a tiny venue, but the music is top class and you can reach out and touch the bands (not that I do, I hasten to add) and it really does make a difference.
 
It's all about the £££££ at the end of the day these days if you're a big American band like Green Day or Red Hot Chili Peppers are you gonna come all the way over here and then go touring the dog and ducks of Britain to 300 paying punters, or play the arenas and stadiums playing to 10000+ it's a no brainer really.

Plus can you imagine if they did only play gigs at small intimate venues the ebay touting would be insane!

Personally I agree that small venues are way better than the big ones (much prefer the Birmingham Academy to either the NIA or NEC Arena) so the only real way to see your favourite bands there is before they become huge.
 
i saw sonic youth, iggy and the stooges and gang of four last week and was only a goalpost away, all fairly popular bands.

i guess it's just newer bands that attract more attention these days. I've had plenty of enjoyable experiences in larger arenas mind - foo fighters, muse and tool to name a few.
 
I've seen a few bands in smaller venues, like the old Marquee, Astoria, Plymouth Skating Rink etc and they were great, but I also like the big spectacle as well, like Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, U2, Queen etc live, it's all part of the event and wouldn't have had the same impact in the Astoria.
 
Sounds like grumpy-old-men-itis :) (j/k) :)

35 years ago went to gigs in the Glasgow Apollo and the view from "the gods" was just as distant as todays large venues. And all the bands and fans LOVED the Apollo :)

Getting down in the standing areas in the SECC in Glasgow is still great fun and everyone there loved the Tenacious D concert last week :D Sitting at the back - we had VIP Franz Ferdinand seats beside the family - was awful :(
Just as with the Apollo, you need to know where to go to get the experience you want.
 
I'd definately agree that smaller venues tend to be better, but that doesn't mean larger venues are bad at all - I've been to a few gigs at larger venues, most recently in the MEN arena, and as I was standing I made my way right to the front, on the barrier only a few metres from the band and it was great. I do prefer smaller venues though generaly.
 
00bob00 said:
i saw sonic youth, iggy and the stooges and gang of four last week and was only a goalpost away, all fairly popular bands.
ATP - Nightmare Before Christmas I presume :cool:. How was the Minehead venue - did you go to the previous Camber Sands ATPs? Got my tickets booked for April 2007 this weekend, which should be amazing.

On topic...

dmpoole, if you think that no current, popular artists play in small venues, then it appears you have little real knowledge of live music venues outside of your Stoke-on-Trent pub circuit. I, and thousands of others, have seen all my favourite artists at venues that are close enough to touch. And I'm not blessed with your amazing 135 foot long arms; they're just a little over 2 foot long. 93 Feet East, Shepherds Bush, Bush Hall, Barbican, QEH, LA2/MF, Astoria, Concorde 2, Borderline, ULU... and so on.

To say you saw x band thirty years ago in a small venue is no different to me commenting I saw x band last week in a small venue - it only holds weight in hindsight as they've had lasting success. When did you change your 'My first gig in 1971' line from Led Zeppelin to Status Quo?
 
Slightly OTT:

I saw a band tonight at a small local pub, they were actually really good, played a great set. I decided to look up their website when I got back and I see theirs a link to your band on their links section, do you know them? :o.

Their site: http://chemicalmetal.co.uk
 
Pho said:
Slightly OTT:

I saw a band tonight at a small local pub, they were actually really good, played a great set. I decided to look up their website when I got back and I see theirs a link to your band on their links section, do you know them? :o.

Their site: http://chemicalmetal.co.uk

I know Chemical Metal very well and they usually get me up for a couple (AC/DC of course). We're doing a charidee event together next June.

On a downside our gig last night was bloody awful.
We were told theres a full 2k PA system and full lighting rig so don't bring yours.
There were no lights and the PA was held together by masking tape and kept going off.
About 100 people turned up but slowly they left one by one because of the nightmare PA.
The landlord had sneaked out just before we got there but he did leave our money behind the bar.
I've now got to inform bands (Including Chemical Metal) to turn up with their PA's.

I took some quick pictures with my mobile (sorry for the poor quality).
The picture on the left is the mixing desk :eek:
We normally use 10 channels and theres only two on that. Luckily we had our desk with us and we were able to patch into the two XLR inputs.
The picture on the right is the self made power supply to feed both the mixer and the 2k Peavey power amp.
To say there was lots of buzzing was an understatement and the leads going to the speakers were also extended by crude means.
Sadly our houses were too far to go and get our own stuff.

dangerous.jpg
 
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Augmented said:
ATP - Nightmare Before Christmas I presume :cool:. How was the Minehead venue - did you go to the previous Camber Sands ATPs? Got my tickets booked for April 2007 this weekend, which should be amazing.

minehead venue was awesome, no i haven't been to cambersands but my friends described it as a hellish nightmare, lots of fun to be had. I'm in two minds about which festival to go to, one has nick cave and joanna newsom and the other one has akron family and echo and the bunnymen, decisions decisions decisions!
 
dmpoole said:
The picture on the left is the mixing desk :eek:
We normally use 10 channels and theres only two on that. Luckily we had our desk with us and we were able to patch into the two XLR inputs.
dangerous.jpg

A tiny Behringer! :eek:

Even I use a 12 channel Mackie and I'm only using 1 mic input and a stereo line input.
 
i went to see the chilli peppers at sheffield on valley and have seen chimaira and stone sour at the corporation in sheffield

much prefered the atmosphere and everything else at the smaller venue, although obviously the chilli peppers were awesome :)

we were on the front row of the chillis gig but were still quite away from the stage

was probably closer at the other two still being about 4 or 5 rows from front
 
ElvisFan said:
A tiny Behringer! :eek:

Even I use a 12 channel Mackie and I'm only using 1 mic input and a stereo line input.

Can you imagine turning up at a gig with a 5 piece rock band and finding that?
Our roadies had to take it in goes and turns to stand by the PA speakers and push the plugs in and out every time it went off. In the end I realised that it must be an overloading problem. Hopefully I've contacted all the bands that are there so they don't make knobs of themselves like we did. I've had to put an apology on our homepage because it was that bad.
 
00bob00 said:
minehead venue was awesome, no i haven't been to cambersands but my friends described it as a hellish nightmare, lots of fun to be had. I'm in two minds about which festival to go to, one has nick cave and joanna newsom and the other one has akron family and echo and the bunnymen, decisions decisions decisions!
Great, I'm glad to hear that. I've been fairly apprehensive about the venue as I'm actually pretty fond of Camber Sands. Was a bit disappointed to hear of the change - mainly because it's much further away and double (?) the amount of people. Camber Sands's tackiness, compactness and 60s decor made it all the more better.

For me the choice of weekend is a no brainer. Has to be the Dirty Three weekend. I would be crazy to pass up the chance to see Cat Power, Smog, A Silver Mt Zion, Low, Yann Tiersen, Spiritualized and Joanna Newsom close-up in one weekend. That latter of whom, incidentally in the spirit of this thread, I got to watch at this year's ATP from just a couple of feet away (woo for photographer passes :D), and it was really.quite.amazing.
 
My favourite venue's are the Portsmouth Wedgewood Rooms and The Portsmouth Pyramids. Nice size and i like the setting.

Although, Mean Fiddler in London's alright too, as is The Forum. If you like slightly bigger venues :)
 
dmpoole said:
I feel sorry for the young generation who have never seen their favourite bands at a decent size gig and have to put up with matchstick men about one inch high.

If their favourite band happens to be someone who's already massive, then fair enough, but it's still perfectly possible to see great music in a stink pit, by going to see bands that aren't huge. If you only go and see established bands, it goes without saying they'll already be pulling in a big crowd, but if you're going and seeing new bands then you get to see them when they're playing toilets- you lucky feller. A lot of people won't ever do that though, they don't even become aware of a band till they've been on the cover of a magazine.

I saw Travis, Coldplay and the Strokes all play the Venue in Edinburgh, which holds just a few hundred. Could've seen Muse there but I was still convinced they sounded like Radiohead at the time. Saw the Hives at the Cathouse in Glasgow too, and the Lostprophets play third on the bill under Stamping Ground and Defenestration- they're filling the arenas now.

Then I've seen most of them headlining festivals in front of tens of thousands of people... Also saw Idlewild play to 10 people at Cas Rock Cafe in Edinburgh, and Funeral For A Friend play to a bored audience in a tent. I had about 20 opportunities to see Snow Patrol supporting other bands in the Attic in Edinburgh, and never even bothered. And that's Edinburgh, not exactly a hotbed of underground sounds.

Even with larger bands, you can still catch them in small venues, though it's harder. One of my favourite bands, Biffy Clyro, are in the process of selling out venues the size of the Barrowlands (several thousands a night) on their next tour, but this month I saw them play a tiny club in Perth that held just a couple of hundred. This time last year, I'd just seen them play 3 nights a row at King Tuts Wah Wah Hut, which is pretty titchy- 300 I think. Loads of bands play smaller gigs as treats for the fans, or for warmups.

TBH though I'd sooner bands play a venue that's big enough to hold them. That Biffy Clyro residency saw tickets changing hands for the last night for £200, and that's taking the mick. Better to see a band in a shed than not see them at all.
 
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