Golf R Estate

thewanted · 26 Apr 2015 at 09:24

matthab said:
Wonder how many are on finance?

Why would it matter?

Tinders · 26 Apr 2015 at 09:27

thewanted said:
Why would it matter?

Because it makes the cost price largely irrelevant.

Very expensive for what it is, but it does look good.Pretty roomy and fine for a small family.

thewanted · 26 Apr 2015 at 09:31

Tinders said:
Because it makes the cost price largely irrelevant.

Very expensive for what it is, but it does look good.Pretty roomy and fine for a small family.

The overwhelming majority of people buy houses on finance and the cost price is hugely relevant.

Tinders · 26 Apr 2015 at 09:37

Yeah but you dont give the house back after 3 years, with PCP its about the deposit and the monthlies.

thewanted · 26 Apr 2015 at 09:43

Tinders said:
Yeah but you dont give the house back after 3 years, with PCP its about the deposit and the monthlies.

And the guaranteed future value. People pay a lot of interest for houses because they assume it'll go up in value. Anyways, this isn't the thread for a finance discussion.

If the Golf R was £5k cheaper than an S3, for me, it would be a difficult decision to make. VW seem to have lost their minds when it comes to pricing. It's like they've forgotten that Audi was the premium brand and are now trying to compete.

AndrewNR · 26 Apr 2015 at 09:50

Rybo89 said:
I like it. Nice car

I'm not a VAG lover, nor have I driven one or seen one in the flesh, but so do I.

Still rather have the "Ultimate Driving Machine" equivalent though.

Schizo · 26 Apr 2015 at 10:05

Personally i love the look of it,its different from all the other cars on the road at the moment,if it suits your needs op then get it

xs2man · 26 Apr 2015 at 10:17

AndrewNR said:
I'm not a VAG lover, nor have I driven one or seen one in the flesh, but so do I.

Still rather have the "Ultimate Driving Machine" equivalent though.

And what would that be? Do they do an estate, in this size, with 4wd and 300BHP?

The closest I would guess would be the 225i xDrive M Sport Active Tourer, which would be missing about 70BHP, but is, admittedly, £1500 less rrp. Or £700 more than the golf after discount (broadspeed).

[TW]Fox · 26 Apr 2015 at 10:21

Tinders said:
Because it makes the cost price largely irrelevant.

No it doesn't, it makes it very relevant because the two most critical numbers involved in how much it costs to finance are purchase price and residual value. If you have a car thats overpriced the market responds by adjusting significantly downward it's residual value, meaning unless deep discounts are available it costs a fortune whether you buy it or finance it.

For a beautiful example of this see the BMW 6 Series would which would be eyewateringly expensive to finance were it not for the enormous discounts available to slash the ridiculous list price.

GarethSouthgate · 26 Apr 2015 at 10:25

Isn't there a 3 series x drive touring? Strange if so, as there is an x drive non-touring. Or is that what the 225i is? :-\

mattyg · 26 Apr 2015 at 10:27

Dangerous Dave said:
The problem with the Golf R is that it is too expensive, an R estate with leather and the pro nav is going to be 35-36k before discounts which assuming are the same as the hatch which is around 13%

If you factor in discounts where 20%+ is possible with BMW they work out around the same price as a well spec'd 3 series touring or a standard 530D or 535i touring which comes with leather and nav as standard (admittedly with the poverty spec small screen)

I love that. "Er but for the same money you could have got a BMW"

Not everyone wants a BMW.
Not Everyone likes BMW

xs2man · 26 Apr 2015 at 10:37

sigma said:
Isn't there a 3 series x drive touring? Strange if so, as there is an x drive non-touring. Or is that what the 225i is? :-\

There is a 3 series touring with x-drive. But the Golf isn't really in the same class as the 3 series. And it starts at a £41k list, before adding spec. It's more of a 2 series contender. But that doesn't get the 35i engine, which is the closest (to bhp) equivalent to the R engine. The 28i engine is the closest (by displacement), but falls 55 bhp short. But then neither are available in the equivalent car to the golf anyway.

[TW]Fox · 26 Apr 2015 at 10:38

mattyg said:
I love that. "Er but for the same money you could have got a BMW"

Not everyone wants a BMW.

Except the OP, who says he spent a lot of time trying to make the numbers work on... a BMW.

But anyway, moving on, it seems the Golf R is actually quite the bargain. SDK, if you've not signed the paperwork yet you may want to consider this deal:

http://www.stablevehiclecontracts.co.uk/volkswagen-golf-estate-leasing

Works out at £4k a year for a brand new Golf R Estate on 8k a year.

As an aside though I've read elsewhere from people with orders in that the waiting list on the Golf R is now 8 months - you should clarify this with your dealer if you have time constraints as the dealers seem to give very optimistic lead times.

[TW]Fox · 26 Apr 2015 at 10:39

xs2man said:
It's more of a 2 series contender. But that doesn't get the 35i engine

Yes it does (Though not in any vaguely useful body style for the OP).

xs2man · 26 Apr 2015 at 10:47

[TW]Fox;27960760 said:
Yes it does (Though not in any vaguely useful body style for the OP).

Not according to the BMW website it doesn't. 225i is the best engine they have there.

And I agree, not a useful bodystyle. Maybe the GranTourer when it comes out, but the details are sparse on the site.

Ahhhh. I see what you mean now, you're meaning the coupe or 'vert. Where I looked specifically at what might be considered the actual competition to the Golf Estate.

Anyway, to the OP. I really like the Golf R Estate. I would have one myself. It seems to sit quite alone in the fast 4wd small(er) estate class. And in great colours.

Dangerous Dave · 26 Apr 2015 at 10:54

mattyg said:
I love that. "Er but for the same money you could have got a BMW"

Not everyone wants a BMW.
Not Everyone likes BMW

That is very true but the OP himself said in the first post he wanted a 3 or 5 series touring.

Dangerous Dave · 26 Apr 2015 at 11:03

[TW]Fox;27960758 said:
As an aside though I've read elsewhere from people with orders in that the waiting list on the Golf R is now 8 months - you should clarify this with your dealer if you have time constraints as the dealers seem to give very optimistic lead times.

The waiting list is now up to 10 months, a friend ordered one in August last year.

The OP should check that the dealer has an order slot for the car rather than just taken the deposit waiting for one, VW only issue a small number every month to each dealer which is how the waiting list grows so quickly.

I also think a Golf R without leather is crazy as the standard white side bolsters look out of place and will get dirty quickly (I have seen this on a couple of R demo cars). They might offer the leather as standard at some point like they did with the Mk5/6 GTI.

[TW]Fox · 26 Apr 2015 at 11:06

The waiting list thing confuses me, why is anyone prepared to wait almost a year for a Volkswagen Golf? It's not exactly the new Ferrari is it? In a sensible world being told there is a 10 month waiting list should completely kill all interest in the product.

Perhaps thats why the dealers don't tell you that.

Dangerous Dave · 26 Apr 2015 at 11:22

Going by a lot of forums a lot of would be buyers have cancelled and ordered A45s/M135s due to the waiting time. I would have thought it would be in VWs interest to churn them out as quickly as they can sell them.

The delay does keep up the second hand prices which I assume is the main reason as it allows low lease prices.

[TW]Fox · 26 Apr 2015 at 11:26

If they are having such trouble meeting demand it makes even less sense that you can get these bonkers leases on them. Surely the stupid lease prices simply inflate demand still further and also create an enormous time bomb for the R's residuals come 2 years time when they all go off-lease and loads and loads of them appear at dealers?