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Gone from 5770 to 460 and things seem poorer

iTek

iTek

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Ok so I got rid of my HD5770 and purchased a Palit 460 768mb simply because I wanted something new...

Having installed the card and played my games I found if anything it was no better, so with that in mind I run Cinebench and found that my last card (5770) scored 65 fps in the test and this one scores 47 fps.

I removed the full ATi driver suite prior to installing my new card and downloaded the latest nvidia drivers (I did not use the ones supplied on the disc)

After some sort of advice, so far I have not really changed any of the nvidia settings, its set to performance on the slider bar, using this for reference I assumed I would see a increase in gaming by hopping over to the nVidia card...

Appreciate any assistance, specs are below of my rig and I don't know if Cinebench is a good tool to be using its just the only one I had and the only one I knew I could truly compare to my HD 5770.

Thanks
 
To be sure i'd reformat it's the only way you are really going to know it's not some hidden driver traces causing any issues.

You could try driver sweeper and remove all ati related though.
 
I ran the tool and it did indeed find some ati files however the scores in Cinebench are still the same.
 
iTek said:
I ran the tool and it did indeed find some ati files however the scores in Cinebench are still the same.
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Cinebench is a better CPU benchmark than GPU ;).

Try some games. Benchmarks are not really the best for 'benchmarking' games believe it or not as what may be great in 3DMark will not show the same performance in 'real world' games.
 
w3bbo said:
Cinebench is a better CPU benchmark than GPU ;).

Try some games. Benchmarks are not really the best for 'benchmarking' games believe it or not as what may be great in 3DMark will not show the same performance in 'real world' games.
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To be honest now i've tinkered with some of the settings in the Nvidia control panel the games seem loads better just strange why it scores significantly lower to my previous HD5770.
 
I simply used the AnandTech gpu comparison and it suggested the 460 768mb was a better card then the 5770/5830 which was going to be my next upgrade path...

I also noted that it was only marginally slower then a 1gb model? <10%?
 
no_1_dave said:
Why the 768MB version?
The 1GB version is the one that creams the 5770.
The 768MB version is very similar in performance
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Actually the GTX460 768MB IS faster than the 5770, and also overall faster than the 5830 (I say 'overall' being that although there are circumstances which 5830 beat the GTX460 768MB, but the GTX460 768MB beat the 5830 more frequently).

And Cinebench is not for testing GPU performance...
 
Marine-RX179 said:
And Cinebench is not for testing GPU performance...
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Thanks, I wont bother digging deeper because the games are much working better with very little stutters at the resolutions i'm playing at anyways (1650x1050) but intrigued as to why this card scores lower on Cinebench, it wont be down to fact its got less onboard memory?
 
I belive it could be the less onboard memory because in a way your graphical processing units ram has been reduced but I'm quite concerned about how it has descreased because I believe that 20fps is quite a lot.
Feel free to bash me I'm a noob.
 
iTek said:
Thanks, I wont bother digging deeper because the games are much working better with very little stutters at the resolutions i'm playing at anyways (1650x1050) but intrigued as to why this card scores lower on Cinebench, it wont be down to fact its got less onboard memory?
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ati were always better at opengl? try some directx11 benchmarks.

only difference between 768 and 1gb model is
less ROPS
192bit memory controller instead of 256bit
less l2 cache

so basicly its just bandwidth stuff at your resolution i doubt you would notice the difference on a 1gb 460
 
hello stranger.

i did the switch as well, i went from 2 5770 in crossfire to a cheap £112 gtx460, the 460 is a lot better than one 5770 for sure.

The 460 overclocked in dirt2 dx 11 1920x1200, max settings and 8xmsaa will do 61fps on my system, the 5770 wouldnt get near that, crossfire 5770 would beat it by 15-20 fps, its a decent card the 460.
 
Perhaps Cinebench was a poor tool to use to compare the card maybe its because the 460 is new? but for sure it does seem much better in games now so i'm beginning to feel a lot happier, I know benchmarks are not everything but it was just something I immediately did since I'm no GPU Guru.

So thanks for the input, what do people use to benchmark GPU's with, is it still the Futuremark products?
 
iTek said:
Perhaps Cinebench was a poor tool to use to compare the card maybe its because the 460 is new? but for sure it does seem much better in games now so i'm beginning to feel a lot happier, I know benchmarks are not everything but it was just something I immediately did since I'm no GPU Guru.

So thanks for the input, what do people use to benchmark GPU's with, is it still the Futuremark products?
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try the heaven benchmark http://unigine.com/products/heaven/

dont think anyone uses the futuremark benchmarks much anymore tbh they have a new one coming out soonish thats dx11 though i think.
 
arknor said:
ati were always better at opengl? try some directx11 benchmarks.

only difference between 768 and 1gb model is
less ROPS
192bit memory controller instead of 256bit
less l2 cache

so basicly its just bandwidth stuff at your resolution i doubt you would notice the difference on a 1gb 460
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I thought NV used to be better "back in the day"? :confused:
 
arknor said:
they did ?:confused:

fermi cards are concentrated on dx11 anyway ;) in dx11 benchs they should be faster than 5770 by a fair margin , especially if theres tesselation.

hows 5770 in metro compared to a 460
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I'm pretty sure they were back in 9800 / x800 PRO days.

I know NV used to be better in the days of Voodoo 2 and the like. At least I'm 99 percent sure! :D:o:p
 
Forget the benchmarks for measuring.

Use the FRAPS software utility or in game console commands/options to see what you are getting in game wise for FPS. Without testing your games you won't know.

You said it is 'no better' but without numbers from the games you play you won't know. Do you know what you were getting before?
 
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