Got knocked off my motorbike today!

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CaNsA wrote:
Even though the car driver wasnt paying attention and is at fault, the rider had ample time to brake and/or swerve.

Poor obs IMO.


Another forum member:
Perhaps you should have used your amazing 'obs' and god like reactions to avoid all those penalty points.


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It's high viz wearing know it alls like him that put me off doing any advanced road training. I can't stand that attitude and there's no way I could stand somebody like that criticising every part of my riding.

No thanks, I'll just stick with the likes of California Superbike school or Ron Haslam etc to improve my riding.

Absolutely 100% agreed. ROSPA and IAM seem to be pretty much the same in that respect.
 
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lmao plonkers, at the end of the day you could do everything they say as far as flurry coats, taking more care and all that jazz, accidents will always happen regardless of what you do...
 
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CaNsA wrote:
Even though the car driver wasnt paying attention and is at fault, the rider had ample time to brake and/or swerve.

Poor obs IMO.


Another forum member:
Perhaps you should have used your amazing 'obs' and god like reactions to avoid all those penalty points.


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LOL :D
 

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They are now arguing on that forum that I was apparently speeding

:')

It's obvious from that vid that you had just come off the landing ramp after jumping 13 London buses.
Also maybe if you weren't ironing that suit whilst riding you would've easily been able to avoid the car. All your fault if you ask me. :D
 
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I'm going to slightly play devil's advocate here, and try and offer a perspective from where the HIVIZ-BRIGADE are coming from.

N.B.: I think the overwhelming majority of bikers at all skill levels would have hit the BMW. I don't think you could have reasonably done anything different, in that situation.

What the ROSPA/IAM people try to do, to *every* situation, is to figure out what you could have done different. Their perspective is based around the premise that 'Every accident I'm in is my fault. I could anticipated the hazard and adjusted my riding because of it'. I think a reasonable response to this is to look at the video and say 'how can these situations be safer, so that you don't get hit when another BMW driver does the same thing?'. Now, the answer may be to ride everywhere at 5mph. The answer may also be to ride with a 28-strong police escort at all times. However, these things aren't necessarily practical, or possible. In this case, someone may advocate taking a slower speed past cars that are at the side of the road, and actively looking for front-wheel deflections which may indicate an impending u-turn. This is not to say that what metbandit did was in any way wrong or unsensible, it's just a action someone may take next time they're out so they might be less at risk of this type of crash.

The difference between the hivizlollocopters and everyone else is that they want to reduce all accidents/incidents to zero, and find the magic combination of skills, techniques and thought processes that do this. Everyone else pretty much acknowledges that when you ride on the road, you risk an accident.

I think the comments about 'you were obviously speeding' and 'oh, you could have swerved' are ridiculous, and don't do anyone's cause any favours. However, the default reaction of any IAM/ROSPA person when seeing a video like that is to say: 'would this have happened to me, and what could I/anyone do differently to avoid this?'. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Hope you're not aching too much, and the bike gets sorted out asap. Any joy with the insurance?
 
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I can’t believe that people are saying this accident could have been avoided... granted I’m no crash investigator, nor ‘advanced trained’ but from the point I would personally consider the BMW to be a dangerous hazard, I count two, at a push three seconds before impact.

Now I know that the following is off the back of guidelines and guesswork, but a quick Google search would suggest that at 30 mph, the bike is covering 13.4 metres a second, at 30 MPH a car needs 9 metres thinking time and 14 metres to stop. On these statistics alone I would be inclined to tell anyone who is banging on about “I could have stopped in that distance” etc etc to jog on – ignoring the fact that the camera might give a skewed view, or the fact that different people have different reaction times/levels of concentration/performance of brakes/experience and so on...

My thoughts from the video:

The green Rover appears to be slowly edging over the junction, almost like they had already seen the bike and were giving way (albeit impatiently), who’s to say the rider didn’t clock that before the video started and already had their mind on that hazard?

The mirror check looked to me more like checking there wasn’t a hidden junction (OP might not know the road) or hazard after the silver Fiesta.

Unless the detail is lost in the video the BMW isn’t indicating, and only starts to move within the ‘4 seconds’ that the critics mention – there’s no way you’d anticipate what the driver does; she could have just decided to pull out of the bus stop and drive straight, it’s only when it’s too late that the problem develops IMO.

If the woman was wearing shades, then I’m fairly certain if you pause the video a moment before impact, it looks like the driver is looking over her right shoulder and not at the oncoming bike – looks like the arm of her shades is facing the windscreen rather than the lenses.

The bike appears to move from the dominant position into a more central position just before impact, it looks to me like the rider may have thought “blimey she’s swinging out wide from that bus stop” and started to adjust their line – again not expecting the BMW to actually pull a U turn in front of them.

Worryingly it seems that some of the ‘advanced’ riders on that Facebook link are watching the video from the camera’s perspective, they don’t actually know where the riders eyes were, to me I would guess he is looking ahead of the red Golf (or Polo) in front, having already decided the BMW sat in the bus lane not indicating any intention to move isn’t a threat, and it’s actually the subconscious that picks up the danger and influences the slight change in direction (maybe pre-empting an impact and trying to protect the body).

Either way, I’m glad you’re ok, all the digs at you will pass, just hope you heal up and get back on the horse (assuming you’re trading the Gixxer in for one :D)
 
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End of the day it's who the insurers blame that matters most.

I like BCF but they do have a bit of a rabid hatred of people who use helmet cams.

Many years ago I was going round a roundabout and took a line that went over a manhole cover. It was raining and there was a bus behind me going in the same direction. I have no idea how I didn't come off but I managed to keep the bike upright and continue on my way without having become a bus patty. I doubt I could save going over, intentionally, even if I tried 1000 times (other than missing the manhole cover of course).

Yes young Mr Bandit could have done something that would have most likely saved the collision, but I bet it would have been instinctive, and lucky, and virtually unrepeatable with no real knowledge of how the collision had been prevented.
 
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Yes young Mr Bandit could have done something that would have most likely saved the collision, but I bet it would have been instinctive, and lucky, and virtually unrepeatable with no real knowledge of how the collision had been prevented.


I'd agree with that, its your instinctive reactions that make the difference between having a collision and narrowly avoiding one.

Target fixation also plays a big part, you look at the car then you're gona hit it. That also is instinctive in that situation though.

Hope the you're recovering well and good luck with the insurance!

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UPDATES.

I went to get a quote for the replacement of my gear today. £1550.

Spoke to the bike shop about the bike, write off, but im waiting for the full quote to be sent to me to see the breakdown.

Video almost has 11k views

Shoulder still a bit sore, hip still hurts when I crouch down to do my shoes etc.
 
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Should have monetized the video.. :D It would have paid for a few little things perhaps, although the amount of revenue you get is laughable!

P.S. 675....!!! :D
 
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