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Greece parliament demand Germany pay WWII reparations

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Evangelion, Apr 19, 2019.

  1. Evangelion

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    Greece has three national sports:

    1: tax evasion
    2: government corruption
    3: making other people pay her bills after 1 & 2 have destroyed her economy

    This week Greece kicked it up a notch by demanding money from the Germans. Because something something WWII oh, and our economy is completely ******, so gief monies pl0x.

    (Source).

    It seems the Greeks have retrospectively decided they were not satisfied with the war reparations West Germany coughed up in 1960 (a cool DM 115 million!) so now they're demanding €288.7 billion.

    Does Greece have a valid case, or is she taking the ****?
     
  2. Nasher

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    Thing is, Germany also likes to have other people pay their bills. Especially the bill for defence, which is picked up by the US :p
     
  3. Zethor

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    Where do you come up with this garbage? Trump's tweets?
     
  4. The_Abyss

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    Citation please.
     
  5. thenewoc

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    Sounds about right for the Greeks, they just make it up as it suits them. Taken them 50+ years to come to this conclusion lmao.
     
  6. MartinPrince

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    Well when it was possible to retire at the age of 45 then no wonder they don't have any money and need to think of 'creative' ways to fill the empty coffers.
     
  7. jms198

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    Poland and Lithuania last year joined Greece, the UK, Estonia and Latvia in hitting the 2 per cent target, the Nato estimates said. But more than half the alliance’s overwhelmingly European membership lagged below 1.5 per cent, including Germany, Italy and Spain.

    From ftr, can't remember how to hyperlink. I hate to admit it but trump has a point; they are lagging. The Greeks have the Turks causing all sorts of trouble next door. The others have uncle Putin.
     
  8. The_Abyss

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    Which is lovely, but doesn't support the point put across that the US fund the German defence budget.
     
  9. StriderX

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    Does this have anything to do with the fact the Greek government looks like a bunch of servile *****?

    They promised they’d stick it to the man nd then came back grovelling for forgiveness, because they didn’t have the balls to leave the EU.

    This is the weakest statement they can make because they already agreed a settlement decades ago, they already know it’s going to lose, they also know they can pad it out if needed while continuing to look ‘big’ to their voters.

    Sad, either they give what they promised their people or they can shut the hell up.
     
  10. Evangelion

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    ^^ Pretty much this.

    It beggars belief that the Greek government is still refusing to address the systemic problems that ruined the economy.
     
  11. Nasher

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    Who do you think pays for all the US troops based in Germany? (It's not Germany). They know that while they are there, they can save money on their own forces. Which is why they panicked slightly when Trump suggested he might pull them out.
     
  12. The_Abyss

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    Which is lovely, but doesn't support the point put across that the US fund the German defence budget.
     
  13. Orionaut

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    Despite Greece's well deserved reputation for idleness and corruption. They do have a bit of a point.

    Greece was stripped bare by Germany during WW2.

    And many of Greece's problems today might well date back to the economically devastating consequences of this!
     
  14. doodah

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    Did the EU know how flaky Greece's economic foundations were? If so, why did they let them join?
     
  15. 233

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    hmm

    demands repatriations of 300 billion, has a natiional debt of 300 billion hmmmmm
     
  16. Nasher

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    Some probably do. We are still living off wealth made during the empire era and that was long before the 40s, as is France. Money makes money but Greece had theirs stolen.
     
  17. efish

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    Germany forced the Greek central bank to pay it a 'loan' at 0% interest during the war. Greece only got a small amount of that back in 1960's.

    No one wanted to see a situation like Germany was in after W.W 1 forced to pay large sums in compensation, end up with a crippled economy and massive social unrest.

    Germany effectively got cut some slack in regard to debt; country remained stable, it's economy flourished.

    That's in stark contrast to the austerity politics German politicians pushed for and supported in regards to Greece's debt problem.
     
  18. StriderX

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    Which is entirely up to the Greeks, they can leave.
     
  19. Evangelion

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    Greece lied about her financial position to join the EU, and did not admit the truth until 2009, at which point she started begging for other people's money.

    For the last 10 years, Greece has continued to beg for other people's money while refusing to address the causes of her economic instability.

    I would be happy to see Greece kicked out of the EU.
     
  20. doodah

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    Fair enough, I knew the Greeks caused their own problems with eg tax evasion etc but wasn't sure if the due diligence from the EU's side.