Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [20 - 26th December 2013]
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Walk on.
Of those the only one that matters is Sturridge and Gerrard, and you haven't played anyone particularly good since he got injured. The next couple months while they are out could be a problem.
Few if any of the players you listed were out at the same time and first team members. Sturridge is out but Coutinho was back, Enrique is out, that has improved the teamAspas hasn't done anything or shown anything anyway.
Teams get 2-3 injuries, that is "normal" and you cope with that, when it becomes 5-6 it gets bad, when it's constant small niggling injuries for others as well, that is when it falls apart completely. With Newcastle they had situations where they had the equivalent players as you did injured, but all at the same time, with significantly weakened first team, where as you are talking about 1 or 2 players not starting games rather than 4-5, that is a massive difference.
IMagine where you'd be if Sahko or Skrtel got injured at the beginning of the season and missed half the season, Gerrard was injured on and off all season, not a few games ago, then add 2 more players constantly out, then have the rest of the team in and out all season, with no change to establish form AND the addition of European games so those that were fit were more tired, travelling more, losing more. Then factor in they have a 60-70mil a year squad and you have a 110-130mil a year squad(I honestly have no idea where it falls these days, it was huge for being so low, then it dropped, I assume it's going up again so is probably somewhere in that range).
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2012_13/injury_analysis.php
Here is a good table, scroll down, while not strictly accurate it has most injuries and tries to keep track.
Newcastle had almost 50% more injury time than the next most injured team, Wigan. It highlights what a horrendous time they had last year.
Coutinho is a very important player for us. When he's on song we carve teams apart. Glen Johnson is also underrated in terms of his importance, he's become a very good full back and our cover for him is poor.
Also, I'm pretty sure it was you blaming Arsene Wenger for the amount of Arsenal injuries last year. If that's the case, then clearly Pardew is just not doing as good a job with injuries than Rodgers.
Finally, the Physioroom analysis is from last season. I'm not sure how that's relevant.
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I agree, him bombing up that right wing allows Sterling and Coutinho to drift inside and gives us width.
Question Who am i?
- He's scored more goals in 12 games than what any of the bottom 10 have managed in 16
- First player in the league to score 10 goals in a calendar month - with 2 games to spare
- Has scored more goals than Manchester United in the Premier League
- First player in the league to score 2 or more goals for 4 games straight
Agree on the johnson issue tho hes looked pretty sloppy not his usual self bombing forward as we like tracking back etc etc. flano on the other hand has been great.
- He's scored more goals in 12 games than what any of the bottom 10 have managed in 16
- First player in the league to score 10 goals in a calendar month - with 2 games to spare
- Has scored more goals than Manchester United in the Premier League
- First player in the league to score 2 or more goals for 4 games straight
Agree on the johnson issue tho hes looked pretty sloppy not his usual self bombing forward as we like tracking back etc etc. flano on the other hand has been great.
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Because last season is when Newcastle fell apart.. which is exactly what this discussion was about....... not sure how it's relevant?
As for blaming Wenger for injuries, firstly again, as pointed out. Arsenal have a monumental squad and SHOULDN'T be as badly effected by injuries. We spent around 150mil on wages, Newcastle were around the 60-70mil mark, can you spot the difference?
Second, Newcastle had ONE unlucky year, there weren't significant injuries the year before, nor this season. You can't manage an unlucky year in which everyone gets injured at once, when you have more injuries on average than any other team.... for a decade...... then yes you can blame the manager.
Whether Coutinho is brilliant, or meh, is neither here nor there. The discussion was about how Europe/cups/extra games really and I said one of the reasons Liverpool have done well is lack of injuries, I was referring to significant injuries akin to what Newcastle had. Liverpool have had a couple guys out, most teams have a couple guys injured at any one time. Currently it's Gerrard and Sturridge, the others mean there is less depth but they aren't first team and the team has been better without the likes of Enrique. When you start missing 4-5 first team players for half the season on and off, vs a couple guys for 6 weeks, in which other first team members were all fit.
Liverpool have the combination of few extra games AND a "normal" or light injury issue. When you have a huge injury problem your team will always drop, when you have extra games, league form suffers for almost all teams to varying degree's(the top four cope with it better due to the massive squads), when you have both these things in one season you have a recipe for disaster as happened last year.
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That still leaves Liverpool top
Chelsea would need to win 10-0 to go top.
Exactly, only 9 teams have won the PL when they've been top at Christmas
Exactly, only 9 teams have won the PL when they've been top at Christmas
You could look at it that way or you could say the last 4(?) teams top at Xmas have gone on to win the League.
