Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [28th December 2013 - 1st January 2014]

Ade's work rate allowed us to win today. He busted ass putting pressure on Man Utd's defenders and to be in space in order to receive a pass. When he went off, we were in much more trouble because we couldn't get out. Kane is pants and Soldado is not that type of player.

I think we may be in trouble without Ade against Arsenal as with a 442 lineup as our midfield won't be able to play out against superior numbers and we don't have strikers who can match what Ade has done over the past few games.

Spurs relied on counter attacks today against a fairly weak Man Utd, we should have scored more from these but we did get dominated in terms of posession and a better team would have punished us. the acid test will be how we perform against Arsenal whose midfield has much more capacity to punish.
 
Good call from the ref, there. It was a clever dive from Oscar, but a dive nonethless.

Even Jose agrees :eek:
 
Hilarious; Oscar's dive was a carbon copy of Wellbeck's dive against Spurs a month ago. Oscar gets pulled up on it but Wellbeck was applauded!
 
Fulax said:
Good call from the ref, there. It was a clever dive from Oscar, but a dive nonethless.

Even Jose agrees :eek:
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I think it was a terrible dive. It looked more like he kicked the keeper and the ref couldn't have been in a better position. Not to mention he had a sitter if he stayed on his feet.
 
Snax said:
Hilarious; Oscar's dive was a carbon copy of Wellbeck's dive against Spurs a month ago. Oscar gets pulled up on it but Wellbeck was applauded!
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It's why I didn't think Walcott deserved a penalty against, whoever the hell it was, West Ham? It's the putting both your feet together and waiting to be knocked over, when naturally you wouldn't put your feet together. Oscar's left foot was fine but instead of taking his natural stride with his right foot, he just slowed, put it next to his left and wanted to wait for contact, without much he just went down anyway.

When you should be running after the ball, the two feet placed next to each other should be a dead give away, it's such a completely un-natural thing to do when running, it stands out as so obviously wrong, glad the ref actually picked up on it.

Glad the ref spotted Welbeck's as well because the Spurs player was risking absolutely everything by putting that leg out then pulling it back, ref could easily have given it based on the leg coming out in the first place.
 
drunkenmaster said:
It's why I didn't think Walcott deserved a penalty against, whoever the hell it was, West Ham? It's the putting both your feet together and waiting to be knocked over, when naturally you wouldn't put your feet together. Oscar's left foot was fine but instead of taking his natural stride with his right foot, he just slowed, put it next to his left and wanted to wait for contact, without much he just went down anyway.

When you should be running after the ball, the two feet placed next to each other should be a dead give away, it's such a completely un-natural thing to do when running, it stands out as so obviously wrong, glad the ref actually picked up on it.

Glad the ref spotted Welbeck's as well because the Spurs player was risking absolutely everything by putting that leg out then pulling it back, ref could easily have given it based on the leg coming out in the first place.
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It seems to peculiar to type this but Webb made decisions that were in general excellent and when he was wrong it was in Spurs' favour!
 
Moothead2 said:
I think it was a terrible dive. It looked more like he kicked the keeper and the ref couldn't have been in a better position. Not to mention he had a sitter if he stayed on his feet.
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I absolutely can't stand commentators pundits, here they said along the lines of "he could have tapped it in if he just went after it and stayed on his feet".

I would firstly point out that kicking a ball past a keeper doesn't mean insta goal for the striker, he may have knocked it too far, and we've seen embarrassing misses from strikers who go around and somehow miss the target.

He was cheating, one goal vs penalty, 90% chance of a goal, and 11 vs 10 men for the match, there is HUGE incentive to dive.

Commentators quite frequently will see a striker go down when through on goal and say along the lines of "why would he go down there with a chance to score, there is no reason to, it wasn't a dive". That reasoning is so retarded when for donkeys years we've seen for a fact players choose to dive when scoring was relatively simple.
 
If that was Welbeck wearing number 19 he's needs shooting for that first Spurs goal. Made no attempt to challenge Erkisen in the middle of the pitch then just stopped running and allowed him to run straight through to the 18 yard box.
 
I really do think that Young probably could have had a penalty, if Young doesn't jump he gets completely destroyed. But ref's don't often give the penalty when the contact isn't what sends the player down.

Lloris is ever more or a joke though, if he hadn't rushed out to Welbeck, they probably wouldn't have conceded and he should have conceded a penalty. A couple really poor punches and saves which led directly to more pressure from Utd when grabbing the ball or better punches would have left the situations relatively safe.
 
Moothead2 said:
And that's exactly why I think he should have been sent off, and those that dive looking for penalties too (where it's a blatant dive rather than going down easily).
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Well, yes/no, there are plenty of penalties given without a red card, even without a yellow. Shawcross I think managed to give away a penalty then get a yellow later in that game(not today, last game I think) and yet wasn't sent off so can only assume he wasn't carded for the penalty.

But you're right, I think dives need to be on this same scale and maybe indirect freekicks need to be doable in the box. IE if a player is going away from goal, not a goal scoring chance and dives, it's a yellow, if he's actually fouled, indirect freekick. If someone hacks a player down who is otherwise through on goal, then it's a red card, if a player dives in that situation, red card.

The thing that is difficult is, there was a little contact on Welbeck, but it didn't take out his standing leg at all and he went down because he just pulled up his right leg, rather than continuing running. You can make a case that he was assuming the contact might be worse and was protecting himself, so maybe a yellow or no card but no penalty.

What if you send a player off because he slips as he shoots and it's deemed a dive. There isn't a whole lot of fairness about it, video replays, catching most incidents of most types of cheating would pretty much stop all diving, all shirt pulling at corners almost instantly IMHO.

For Oscar I would say a red wouldn't be unfair based on as you say, what he was trying to win in return for his cheating and his was a pure case of diving.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I really do think that Young probably could have had a penalty, if Young doesn't jump he gets completely destroyed. But ref's don't often give the penalty when the contact isn't what sends the player down.

Lloris is ever more or a joke though, if he hadn't rushed out to Welbeck, they probably wouldn't have conceded and he should have conceded a penalty. A couple really poor punches and saves which led directly to more pressure from Utd when grabbing the ball or better punches would have left the situations relatively safe.
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most of the time, lloris rushing out is the right decision but there are times when he should stay on his line and force the shot. welbeck's goal being one of those times.

he was fully entitled to rush out to young and moyes saying he should've been sent off was just sour grapes.

they also didn't show the handball by smalling which could've been given as a spurs pen. swings and roundabouts and all o dat.
 
Thought our biggest loss without Gerrard in the team would be set pieces but Coutinho proved me wrong. Very little reason to play Gerrard as much as we have now.
 
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