Guy got arrested for making racist comments on twitter about Muamba
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Soldato
Actually it's a well documented fact that gingers don't have souls.
Man of Honour
You seem to be implying that freedom of speech also should mean freedom from consequence, I'm pointing out that this has never been the case and nor should it be. If this chap or anyone else wants to spout offensive opinions then he can do so but to expect that there will be no repercussions from it is not realistic. Whatever your personal views on Twitter or the internet in general unless you've put it in a restricted area then any views you post will be regarded as public hence the normal rules regarding publishing offensive statements will apply.
It's not up to me to prove that what the chap said was illegal - if the statements were illegal then it's up to the police to present the evidence to the CPS who will then decide whether or not to proceed with prosecution.
You're effectively asking the police to only arrest where there is absolute certainty of conviction - much as I don't want to point out the obvious but that's unrealistic, they're not psychic. The police can and should arrest where there is suspicion that a crime has been committed, what ultimately happens is not always in their hands.
As for what laws he has broken, that would come down to the police and the CPS. You could possibly create a case under Incitement to Racial Hatred in the Public Order Act 1986 (plus any amendments) or potentially it might be interesting to see if he has committed a breach of the peace as that's a good catch-all kind of offence.
Do you really mean that they shouldn't have offered counselling to the victims or are you saying that they offered counselling to the bullies instead? I'm not sure if there's a word missing in the sentence as otherwise it is pretty much as I'd expect for the victims to be offered counselling.
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This is very true, I agree.
The difference in terms of policing is that racism is illegal. Being a heartless git isn't.
There are laws which are being brought in to begin to protect disabled / mentally ill / others from discrimination (such as employment laws). How far they will go I'm not sure.
Soldato
With regard to the original story.. shocking that an athelete had a heart attack like that! Hope he makes a full recovery 
Soldato
It really makes me want to throw up when i hear people spout this crap. Same when old hook hand was preaching his bile while blocking the road. People saying they don't agree what he what was saying but will defend his right to say it.
Would you defend Hitlers right to give his speeches about the final solution ?
As to the article, this guy said what he said in public, same as shouting it in the streets.
He had freedom of speech, that is why he said that stuff. Doesn't mean you can't face the consequences of your actions.
At airport security you are free to say you have a bomb and intend to blow up a plan in jest, you are not immune to investigation and prosecution.
People need to stop thinking of the internet as some mystical world where they can empty their already near-empty heads full of racism and hatred and not expect there to be consequences when the law, their family or their employers read it.
It's traceable, you wouldn't write racist or hate messages on your own front door, the internet is arguably more public, so the act is even more stupid.
It's traceable, you wouldn't write racist or hate messages on your own front door, the internet is arguably more public, so the act is even more stupid.
It was never really the case though was it? Emotional pain can be much more destructive than physical pain and whilst saying "ignore them" works for some it isn't really helpful for a great many people.
This country is ****
My brother not to long ago at school was bullied very badly, there was also an episode at school with my sister. Was anyone arrested NO, they offered counseling not to the bullies but the victims.
Insulting anyone with weight = ok!
Insulting disabled people = OK
Insulting a Coloured person = BAD
Personally I don't agree with ANY of it it's all bad and as such all should be treated equally.
That doesn't really have any relation to this thread. However, I agree that verbal abuse should also have legal consequences. In some situations it does, under harassment or public disorder offenses.
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In the US people have the right to freedom of speech.
This is not the US, we do not have a constitution, we have elected representatives who set our law. We do not have a right to freedom of speech.
We have a freedom of thought, you can think whatever you like, when you start expressing it, you may be breaking a law. It is nothing to do with freedom of speech.
freedom of speech shouldn't be used as an excuse
if you went and stood in the street shouting racist obscenities at people passing by is it using your freedom of speech or is it mindless racism ?
This country is ****
My brother not to long ago at school was bullied very badly, there was also an episode at school with my sister. Was anyone arrested NO, they offered counseling not to the bullies but the victims.
Insulting anyone with weight = ok!
Insulting disabled people = OK
Insulting a Coloured person = BAD
Personally I don't agree with ANY of it it's all bad and as such all should be treated equally.
Ironically the implication by this stuff is that black people need special protection because they are inferior and can't defend themselves or compete with whites without extra help.
I read a great article a while ago about the infantilization of black people by white liberals. Explains a lot. They literally treat them like children.
This is making Twitter as accountable as a newspaper when really only people signed up for his account can see it.
It's like a Jewish guy complaining that somebody has Nazi flag on their bedroom wall because his brother's second cousin's Aunt Jemima told him about it.
If nobody had said anything then presumably Mumbo would not have heard about it and would not now be put in the position of having to be offended.
FWIW I reckon his account was hacked, otherwise students really are dumb as rocks these days, post under a non de plume if you have a potty mouth.
It's like a Jewish guy complaining that somebody has Nazi flag on their bedroom wall because his brother's second cousin's Aunt Jemima told him about it.
If nobody had said anything then presumably Mumbo would not have heard about it and would not now be put in the position of having to be offended.
FWIW I reckon his account was hacked, otherwise students really are dumb as rocks these days, post under a non de plume if you have a potty mouth.
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Soldato
I am very careful what I post online, as this sort of thing is becoming more common.
The other thing implied here is that racism has some kind of truth behind and that's why speech of it has to be repressed. Because it can't actually be nullified through debate.
It's no different than what the church used to do. Political correctness is a religion.
It's no different than what the church used to do. Political correctness is a religion.
Man of Honour
You really have no critical reasoning skills at all do you? Your conclusions have no logic to them.