Happy bulldozer owners?????????

elroberto · 2 Jul 2012 at 21:34

james.miller said:
I dont really get comments like that. If I didn't know better, I'd say there's just a hint of purchase justification there.

Or maybe it does actually run his applications smoothly. And at a much cheaper price than an i5 sandybridge. I don't quite get the invective on these boards for AMD. Yes, there were issues with bulldozer but it looks like Piledriver is starting the catchup if it shows a similar boost to Trinity.

The fact is a competitive AMD will be good for the CPU market. I've still got fond memories of clocking the bejesus out of an Althon XP-2600M back in the day.

And as modern applications start to take advantage of multicores more who's to say AMD's approach might not ultimately prove to be correct in a couple of generations.

james.miller · 2 Jul 2012 at 22:05

elroberto said:
Or maybe it does actually run his applications smoothly. And at a much cheaper price than an i5 sandybridge.

As you mentioned cost, an 1100t would have been cheaper still, as well as faster and more power efficient. Unless he's encoding 24/7 of course, but then who in their right mind would chose a BD over an i5 for that anyway, regardless of cost?

I don't quite get the invective on these boards for AMD. Yes, there were issues with bulldozer but it looks like Piledriver is starting the catchup if it shows a similar boost to Trinity.

Well, it's bulldozer that is being discussed and not AMD, piledriver or trinity, and those issues still very much exist now. People often confuse contempt for BD with contempt for AMD in general on these forums and it boggles me. I'm not happy with Bd any more than any other half clued up person is, but hey I'm running an AMD cpu on an AMD board with an AMD gpu - it would be somewhere hypocritical if I started gunning for AMD over Bulldozer.

And as modern applications start to take advantage of multicores more who's to say AMD's approach might not ultimately prove to be correct in a couple of generations.

That's a bit of a strawman, isn't is? what's important when buying a processor is how it performs throughout the time you own it. What the arch might be capable of and where it might be heading in 5,10 years time is not a reason put up with the disappointing performance now. I seem to recall sony tried that excuse with the cell processor.

Justintime · 2 Jul 2012 at 23:31

Its simple, you bought a BD, you made a bad purchase, stop trying to justify it. Everyone makes mistakes.

mmj_uk · 3 Jul 2012 at 01:47

I can't be the only one to have noticed that ever since BD was released most people posting in praise of it are largely inactive members with less than 100 posts? are AMD resorting to underhanded marketing practices? Just look back on this thread to see what I mean...

MaxP779 · 3 Jul 2012 at 04:10

mmj_uk said:
I can't be the only one to have noticed that ever since BD was released most people posting in praise of it are largely inactive members with less than 100 posts? are AMD resorting to underhanded marketing practices? Just look back on this thread to see what I mean...

Nope, we have that **** on anandtech as well. They've disappeared since peoples interest in BD has faded.

There was this one guy in particular... google this:

Return of AMD FX: My OC'd AMD FX 8150 with OC'd 6990 Review - First Results Up!

Have a look at all the threads across all the forums with the same title, its obvious he was paid by AMD or sent a free bulldozer. Initially he even spouted the same marketing **** AMD did about how BD could beat a gulftown on price/performance :rolleyes:

As if anyone cared about gulftown 1 year after sandy came out.

Makes sense i guess, send 1 lunatic a free bulldozer, have said lunatic sell 10 more of them to his enthusiasts peers. Otherwise these 8150's will be obsolete before stock is cleared.

daman2k · 3 Jul 2012 at 07:26

Yes AMD have us all on the payroll, could never be that some people are happy with their purchase?
I buy whatever I feel I need, I have an i5 laptop, the fx8120 @ 4.2ghz is more than enough for my gaming needs.

If you don't want an AMD then don't buy one, why are you lot so bothered that other people are happy with the chip? You need to get out more, theres more important things going on in the world.

RizlaKing · 3 Jul 2012 at 09:15

Most of the people that i have built them for lately have wanted AMD as they didn't want to support intel or some of it's past and maybe present practices. I think the problem is that this is an enthusiasts forum where performance is everything to some people and the wider issues are not really understood or welcomed when voiced. End of the day only one person i built an amd system for was unhappy and that was with the mobo not the chip so like it or not believe it or not there are some happy BD owners out there.

elroberto · 3 Jul 2012 at 09:48

james.miller said:
That's a bit of a strawman, isn't is? what's important when buying a processor is how it performs throughout the time you own it. What the arch might be capable of and where it might be heading in 5,10 years time is not a reason put up with the disappointing performance now. I seem to recall sony tried that excuse with the cell processor.

I wasn't putting up a strawman. AMD made a deliberate decision to change their approach to the CPU architecture and introduced a longer pipeline/more cores. Not all applications/games take advantage of multicore processors yet and these are the ones that BD really tends to fall down on but newer software is changing as the number of people still using single core CPU's daily is falling.

I don't own a BD either but when an FX-8120 can be had for £60 cheaper than a 2500k it will appeal to users on a budget.

zoomee · 3 Jul 2012 at 10:19

I personally can't wait to go back to AMD - Albiet I've been running a 2700k since BD launched (due to dissapointment), I still hate Intel. Not only are their chips hotter (heat the room up like a bloomin sauna when under load) but I just have a general dislike for them with this being the first and last intel system I will probably have, even if that means sacrificing performance slightly. We are now at the stage, that anything SB like in performance will more than do - even for gaming.

In terms of more cores - AMD are still on the right track. Intel will inevitably hit the limits on how far they can push in ghz (think they have already - look at IB for example!) - after which they will need to add more cores and more software developers will go down the truley multi-threading route, upon which AMD will start to become more competitive.

I also don't like A)- Their underhand selling tactics and monopoly on the market, and B)- Their ethics and support regarding Israel.

Come on AMD - i'm waiting on something that will give me just SB type performance - let alone IB! - and I'll be dumping this intel chip quicker than quick!

Marine-RX179 · 3 Jul 2012 at 11:00

zoomee said:
I personally can't wait to go back to AMD - Albiet I've been running a 2700k since BD launched (due to dissapointment), I still hate Intel. Not only are their chips hotter (heat the room up like a bloomin sauna when under load) but I just have a general dislike for them with this being the first and last intel system I will probably have, even if that means sacrificing performance slightly. We are now at the stage, that anything SB like in performance will more than do - even for gaming.

In terms of more cores - AMD are still on the right track. Intel will inevitably hit the limits on how far they can push in ghz (think they have already - look at IB for example!) - after which they will need to add more cores and more software developers will go down the truley multi-threading route, upon which AMD will start to become more competitive.

I would love to correct your wrong...but I can't be bothered, so I just gonna highlighted the part that you got the wrong idea about.

You contradict yourself when you complain about heat and say more cores is the way to go at the same time.

And you seem to think GHz and numbers of cores is all that matter, and have no idea about what IPC is.

zoomee · 3 Jul 2012 at 12:02

IPC can only take one so far - yes i didn't mention it but was hoping someone of your calibre sir would understand

AMD chips are always cooler than Intel (saying that I'm referring to phenom days as I don't know how hot the BD chips can get) - I believe 52 Degrees C is where AMD chips stop - whereas Intel goes all the way upto 80!!

I've always said (even having shunted BD) - That mowar cores is the way to go. Intel are just denying the inevitable for now and milking us for all they can - as they are the ones who's software compilers are used the most - hence why BD will be under-utilised. As soon as AMD get on top of this or apps become more and more truly multi-threaded - AMD will be competitve again in the performance front - me waits patiently for now.

Zuban · 3 Jul 2012 at 12:13

bulldozer isnt a good performer single or multithreaded, as i see it its an architecture designed with the gpu taking on some of the tasks the cpu would normally have done, hence the cutting down and sharing of resources between cores, its where they are going with there apu's and its a good idea in the long run because those resources would end up redundant. Problem is right now, whilst software has to change in order to see the benefits of this idea which will take time, the intel cpu's are simply better value for money, perhaps in a small number of cases the amd setup makes sense. Morale reasons are fair enough but personally i dont worry about it as morales and business seldom go together regardless of which company it is.

bulldozer is a bit like a product thats in two halfs, except unless your software supports it you dont have the other half to make up for the shortcomings of the cpu, but even when you finally do get the other half, ie software with opencl support, so do the intel users, assuming in both cases you have a capable discrete gpu, so there is really no advantage to buying bulldozer in its current hobbled form and there likely wont ever be. video encoding seems to be the only area that it seems to perform well at the moment.

gareth170 · 3 Jul 2012 at 12:27

zoomee said:
I still hate Intel. Not only are their chips hotter (heat the room up like a bloomin sauna when under load)

something wrong with your cooler then.

my 2700k @ 4.6ghz 1.30v gets to between 55-60c underload and thats just with a air cooler.

L0rdMike · 3 Jul 2012 at 12:39

gareth170 said:
something wrong with your cooler then.

my 2700k @ 1.30v gets to between 55-60c underload and thats just with a air cooler.

My 965 only goes to 40C at 1.3v on air.

daman2k · 3 Jul 2012 at 12:46

So to sum this thread up, the AMD owners are saying they are happy and the Intel owners are telling us we shouldnt be.

As I have said before, why do you even care so much? I find it perplexing.

Martini1991 · 3 Jul 2012 at 13:13

AMD's CPU sensors are always whack.
Max of 62C.
Meh.

mmj_uk · 3 Jul 2012 at 13:50

MaxP779 said:
Nope, we have that **** on anandtech as well. They've disappeared since peoples interest in BD has faded.

There was this one guy in particular... google this:

Return of AMD FX: My OC'd AMD FX 8150 with OC'd 6990 Review - First Results Up!

Have a look at all the threads across all the forums with the same title, its obvious he was paid by AMD or sent a free bulldozer. Initially he even spouted the same marketing **** AMD did about how BD could beat a gulftown on price/performance As if anyone cared about gulftown 1 year after sandy came out.

Makes sense i guess, send 1 lunatic a free bulldozer, have said lunatic sell 10 more of them to his enthusiasts peers. Otherwise these 8150's will be obsolete before stock is cleared.

It always follows a similar pattern I've seen a few threads over the months, the thread starts with someone with less than 100 posts saying something along the lines "Why do people hate Bulldozer so much?" or "Which Bulldozer to get? I don't want Intel." sort of thing and then later you get a bunch more fairly inactive posters saying about how good their Bulldozer is and having a go at the 'AMD haters'.

The majority of long term active members have rather sensibly long since moved over to Intel (until Piledriver at least).

Marine-RX179 · 3 Jul 2012 at 14:08

daman2k said:
So to sum this thread up, the AMD owners are saying they are happy and the Intel owners are telling us we shouldnt be.

As I have said before, why do you even care so much? I find it perplexing.

Not really, we got people that went from Phenom II X6 to the the 8 cores Bulldozer and found that it is SLOWER and either went back to the Phenom II or gone the Intel path.

True people are entitled to be happy with what they got...but when they ignorantly go with the "look but don't see approach" and start spreading misinformation such as "Bulldozer ain't bottlenecking high-end graphic cards", they are doing harm to people that are considering upgrading their CPU/platform.

gareth170 · 3 Jul 2012 at 14:10

L0rdMike said:
My 965 only goes to 40C at 1.3v on air.

i meant to put @4.6ghz 1.3v

gareth170 · 3 Jul 2012 at 14:16

daman2k said:
As I have said before, why do you even care so much? I find it perplexing.

then why the need to post a thread " happy BD owers??" whats the point??

he known this would happen when starting a thread like this...

whats he gonna get out of this thread if the only BD owners say yes im happy