"Hardly anyone plays fps on the pc"

[[TW]Fox]

The point is that consoles are mass market and PC's are not.

Kieren the KnuckleDragger can play his mates on Halo when he isnt standing on a street corner smoking L&B's because it's quick and easy. He doesnt know how to work a PC, and isn't interested.

Sadly, in this country, dim mass market people outnumber the rest of us by quite some margin.

I used to sell games - for many years. I'm going to generalise, but people who bought PC games were more likely to be geeks* and people who bought console games were more likely to be chavs, or 13 years old.

*Not an insult, I will happily confess to being a geek.

We live in a country where The Sun is one of the most popular newspapers. Do you really expect complex and awesome PC gaming to be as popular as simple and dull console gaming?

 

[~>Dg<~]

Thats a very passive way of looking at it...

Consoles may be where big name games can get the most money but i wager more games not by big name companies that get hype because of advertising budgets than there design decisions are bought on PC. Console gamers are sheep for the most part and don't recognise anything but hype. And really, Keyboard/Mouse are superior for the vast majority of the most popular games. RTS, FPS, certain types of RPG. Consoles are trying to offer more and more, i wouldn't be surprised if they eventually become a low quality gaming only pc with internet browsing software... because as the Xbox 360 proves they sure as hell are not more stable.

End of the day, i'm certainly not about to start playing FPSs on a console when i know damn well the controller sucks for it. If i wanted to handicap myself i'd shoot myself in the foot.

is it worth getting mad about ? what makes the console fps different if same game ? answer keyboard and mouse . once these are added as normal items to new consoles pc fps will probably struggle . youll have a steam like group if it isnt infact steam youll get all your games straight download megafast net simple and easy play login with friends all in one little box no patch this that its getting there slowly and it will happen.

im with you that pc is better overall for fps but its getting closer and closer every year. now with most if not all big games we play fps wise coming on console first as main priority you can see the path its taking. i do think in next five to ten years well have a bastardised box that will be mainly console but have pc features probably have sky or cable with it as well . a all in one box. why have four or five when you can have one to do all jobs ? that is what will happen.

at end of day money is the answer to what will happen and consoles are where its at gaming wise.

 

[Bumhug]

He is making the point that people are saying that kinect is a a less repsonsive control system than conventional control systems. He is making the quite fair comparison of this to when FPS games first started to move from the PC to the consoles. People said that it would never take off due to the control system but what started off as the underdog, over time became the platform of choice to the majority of people. That's his point. the sad part is, he isn't actually discussing the PC/console argument. he is referring to it as an example of a done and dusted past situation.

I wish more people would read full interviews rather than a soundbite someone stick on their site to generate more page views which in turn gives more ad revenue

 

[Cycrow]

It's a small minority compared to a console though isn't it.

i wouldn't think its such a small minority

how many console gamers do u think have played an FPS today ?

as if you look at the steam stats, your talking 200,000 PC gamers have played today.

and steam doesn't include all the other FPS that aren't on Steam.
QuakeLive for example gets a lot of people playing to add to that total.

im sure consoles get more ppl playing at release day for something like Halo, but on going, every day ?

if 200,000+ is the minority, then how many must be playing on consoles?

 

[arknor]

i wouldn't think its such a small minority

how many console gamers do u think have played an FPS today ?

as if you look at the steam stats, your talking 200,000 PC gamers have played today.

and steam doesn't include all the other FPS that aren't on Steam.
QuakeLive for example gets a lot of people playing to add to that total.

im sure consoles get more ppl playing at release day for something like Halo, but on going, every day ?

if 200,000+ is the minority, then how many must be playing on consoles?

school aint finished yet so consoles have an unfair disadvantage

 

[Mart2912]

The point is that consoles are mass market and PC's are not.

Kieren the KnuckleDragger can play his mates on Halo when he isnt standing on a street corner smoking L&B's because it's quick and easy. He doesnt know how to work a PC, and isn't interested.

Sadly, in this country, dim mass market people outnumber the rest of us by quite some margin.

I used to sell games - for many years. I'm going to generalise, but people who bought PC games were more likely to be geeks* and people who bought console games were more likely to be chavs, or 13 years old.

*Not an insult, I will happily confess to being a geek.

We live in a country where The Sun is one of the most popular newspapers. Do you really expect complex and awesome PC gaming to be as popular as simple and dull console gaming?

This is mostly true. I wouldn't agree with the fact that most console gamers are chavs though. I know know some people (I say some because most of my friends are PC gamers) that do game on consoles and they are not chavs, they simply don't see the PC as a gaming platform. They wouldn't think twice about gaming on a PC but I'm willing to bet if they were to give it a chance they wouldn't go back to consoles.

is it worth getting mad about ? what makes the console fps different if same game ? answer keyboard and mouse . once these are added as normal items to new consoles pc fps will probably struggle . youll have a steam like group if it isnt infact steam youll get all your games straight download megafast net simple and easy play login with friends all in one little box no patch this that its getting there slowly and it will happen.

im with you that pc is better overall for fps but its getting closer and closer every year. now with most if not all big games we play fps wise coming on console first as main priority you can see the path its taking. i do think in next five to ten years well have a bastardised box that will be mainly console but have pc features probably have sky or cable with it as well . a all in one box. why have four or five when you can have one to do all jobs ? that is what will happen.

at end of day money is the answer to what will happen and consoles are where its at gaming wise.

What makes PC gaming more unique is the fact that most PC games have dedicated servers. Dedicated servers generally mean mods and a decent community, where you will play against other regulars like yourself. Some companies release free updates for PC games and yet charge console for the same content. Look at TeamFortress 2 for example, it is always getting updates and even more important is the fact that they listen to their community and even encourage community made content, the way it should be. On the other hand, the PS3 version hasn't received anything.

PC games in general should start to pick up again (More exclusive games) due to the fact that console technology is constantly lagging behind. Developers will want to push their new technology which is something consoles will struggle with until the next generation.

As for the future of PC gaming its self, I think as long as there are workstations/home computers, there will always be PC games. I do agree though that a company will bring out an all in one device, but I don't think that will impact PC gaming at all.

But yeah, you are right about consoles making more money in general, but I think it's more down to the fact that console gamers are more willing to pay for DLC (Things like map packs for example) than PC gamers. Console games also get treated like the latest block buster movies with the amount of hype and advertisement they receive, as well as the fact that most console games are aimed at a more casual "pick up and and play" crowd that don't have to spent much time learning about the game.

 

[Gideon Lorr]

at end of day money is the answer to what will happen and consoles are where its at gaming wise.

You say that, but the industry is in a rut currently. The vastly rising cost of developing games (your typical big budget console game can run into sometimes tens of millions of dollars to produce).

the costs of developing games for the next-generation of consoles such as Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3 is estimated to be roughly $10 million as compared to $3-$5 million for the Xbox, PlayStation 2 and GameCube.'

IGN economics of gaming report.

This means more and more the focus is put on the guaranteed successes, with little room for risk and innovation. If you are a fairly big developer/publisher, but not in the league of EA or Activision, then a new IP not doing well sales wise can cripple you.

Ironically, here the PC comes into its own. It is a fair bit cheaper to produce games and create a risky IP, as the development costs are a lot smaller. So there is a lot of potential for growth and development in this area, in both established PC markets, and also smaller genres. Plus with the new generation of more powerful laptops on the horizon, PC gaming is could receive a whole new spout of players by becoming more affordable.

Further, the console makers -Nintendo aside- can't afford to keep making losses for several years after the release of a new console. Sony's gaming division has lost enough money to cancel out most of the profits generated by the PS1 and PS2. The Xbox division I think has only just made a profit for the first time ever in the last year or two. Hence the push to keep the current HD consoles going for perhaps up to ten years.

In other words, it isn't entirely all smiles and sunshine for the console sector.

 

[~>Dg<~]

you do realise that dediboxs are a waste of time now ?

like said most new consolised fps games are making dediboxes like the dodo. exstinct ! activision ea they are all going to be doing it and are doing it . black ops one server company no use for dedis , mw2 no use for dedis bfbc2 you have to rent no need for dedis medal of honor bla bla bla and so on . 99 percent of new games basically dont require your own dedi or are controlled by someone else.

they can make more money this way and gives them more control on there products.

so owning a dedi yourself which wont be supported is a mute point and basically a waste of money soon. this is why clan gaming has took a big dive cause people wont move on to the next thing. compared to console games pc gaming is a niche product. yes it has its place but it wont be the master like what console games will be . they are simplier easy to use and you dont need to spend lots and lots on to just play. it all matters and pc just comes second. i still say pc gaming is better but console destroys it in all other areas and no im not a console fanboy and i did used to sell games for a living

 

[Relentless81]

you do realise that dediboxs are a waste of time now ?

like said most new consolised fps games are making dediboxes like the dodo. exstinct ! activision ea they are all going to be doing it and are doing it . black ops one server company no use for dedis , mw2 no use for dedis bfbc2 you have to rent no need for dedis medal of honor bla bla bla and so on . 99 percent of new games basically dont require your own dedi or are controlled by someone else.

they can make more money this way and gives them more control on there products.

so owning a dedi yourself which wont be supported is a mute point and basically a waste of money soon. this is why clan gaming has took a big dive cause people wont move on to the next thing. compared to console games pc gaming is a niche product. yes it has its place but it wont be the master like what console games will be . they are simplier easy to use and you dont need to spend lots and lots on to just play. it all matters and pc just comes second. i still say pc gaming is better but console destroys it in all other areas and no im not a console fanboy and i did used to sell games for a living

No one is saying that the PC is a bigger market and will be the master The PC gaming market never has and has always been niche and always will be thats the point of the topic, the guy says "hardly anyone" when its just not true, its the same as it always has been its the console market has just grown even larger than it ever has

Dedicated PC gaming enthusiasts will always want to keep with the times and be willing to put the money into it to achieve the desired effect of better graphics and a better gaming experiance

 

[jas72]

Um yes they are?

with there quest for shiny wont play it when the new super shooty sparkle game is out so the online side fails.

Same can be said for those that have to have the latest FIFA (sadly that also includes PC users )

 

[The Dread Pirate]

In my opinion playing an fps on a console is wrong

Indeed they were designed for PC Play and that Is how it should be!

 

[Knubje]

Kieren the KnuckleDragger can play his mates on Halo when he isnt standing on a street corner smoking L&B's because it's quick and easy.

Haaa! That tickled me good!

Poorly disguised PC Gaming .vs. Console Gaming thread is poorly disguised tbh.

And for that reason, I'm out!

 

[~>Dg<~]

ok break it down if graphics were same and the tools were as in keyboard and mouse on both console and pc thegames are the same then you see what i was getting at . the fps games are now made 1st for console then we get the port

the whole package of things that made gaming so good and different on pc is slowly fading through greed and big companies slowly strangling the market with there powers.

so add a keyboard and a mouse to a console and your 90 percent there to what your game is on a pc fps wise. for a fraction of the cost this is why it will happen whether we like it or not . its not the idea its the money which rules. pc loses to console simple in that fact so where a second thought.

yes the graphics may not be the same yet but it will come and with so many games being console based why do you need that quad sli set up when a mere console can run it on a 50 plasma or whatever from your arm chair . i am a pc diehard at heart and play fps on pc only. the fact is times are changing.

 

[rojones]

Those steam figures kind of backup his point really. I mean peak of the top game was 60,000 people. I was playing Halo Reach last night and it had 560,000 people online. Console Figures dwarf PC and thats just a fact. I only ever use my PC for MMO's or the occasional other games. Big title games available cross platform i almost always play on the 360 as the experience online is just so much better imo.

 

[Narziss]

I hardly ever touch my 360, the gaming experience just doesn't interest me as an in-depth PC game.

Same.

 

[arknor]

Those steam figures kind of backup his point really. I mean peak of the top game was 60,000 people. I was playing Halo Reach last night and it had 560,000 people online. Console Figures dwarf PC and thats just a fact. I only ever use my PC for MMO's or the occasional other games. Big title games available cross platform i almost always play on the 360 as the experience online is just so much better imo.

all that proves is a game thats been out for less than a week? is bound to have a lot more people playing it than games which have been out for months/years

 

[Kazz]

The point is that consoles are mass market and PC's are not.

Kieren the KnuckleDragger can play his mates on Halo when he isnt standing on a street corner smoking L&B's because it's quick and easy. He doesnt know how to work a PC, and isn't interested.

Sadly, in this country, dim mass market people outnumber the rest of us by quite some margin.

I used to sell games - for many years. I'm going to generalise, but people who bought PC games were more likely to be geeks* and people who bought console games were more likely to be chavs, or 13 years old.

*Not an insult, I will happily confess to being a geek.

We live in a country where The Sun is one of the most popular newspapers. Do you really expect complex and awesome PC gaming to be as popular as simple and dull console gaming?

This man speaketh the truth. I have a fair few friends who are console only gamers and see the PC as some sort of nerd machine where we play games with Mr T. As much as I love 'em, they are a little dimmer than myself (wow I sound like a smug git, but it is true) . They own iPhones / iPad / iBrick's, use The Sun as their knowledge source, actively vote in whilst watching Big Brother or X-Factor, spend way too much time on Facebook. I could go on but I won't.

Hardly anyone plays FPS on the PC? Yeah...ok. The reason FPS's are so enormously popular on consoles is that previous to games like Halo, they were truly awful and didn't work well. However as Halo & MW have came along they are getting a much better experience, hence the surge is popularity.
Sadly for them, PC gamers have been playing decent FPS's for years before those games and most shrugged off Halo for what it was, an above average game. How MW has took off so well on PC's too must be down to marketing as I fail to see how revolutionary or engrossing it is.

 

[Dickyb0b]

Just because someone might not play online dosent mean there no playing fps games anymore wtf, how can you predict that , do they have camera's behind our curtains or something?