Haswell Vs Coffeelake Benchmarks @ 4.3Ghz

[geordiejc]

4 core 4770k @ 4.3Ghz (O/C) DDR3 1600 ROG 1080 Ti OC edition STOC
vs
6 core 8700k @ 4.3Ghz (Stoc) DDR4 3200 ROG 1080 Ti OC edition STOC
Rise of the Tomb Raider : DX12 Very High preset FXAA 1080p​

Coffee Lake Win @ +0.79fps

1440p





Haswell win @ +9.71fps

Weird but interesting results, i'm going to do a few more benchmarks tomorrow on other games myself and reviewers own using the 1080 ti and i'll post the results. ​

 

[geordiejc]

There must have been something not right with Paul's system. There should be a c.10% IPC benefit (minimum) between these architectures. Haswell to Skylake was c.7.5% right?

Obviously this was only 1 game. I will test some more tonight when i get home.

 

[geordiejc]

Or the GPU is the bottleneck in that benchmark?

I think in the vast majority the gpu will be the bottleneck - I'm no expert I could be wrong.

 

[geordiejc]

@jigger if i increase the resolution does this not become more gpu bound? I'd have thought it was the other way round and 720p would mean cpu?

 

[geordiejc]

@jigger i'm confused.

Are you saying increasing resolution you are limited by the GPU or not (Posts 7 & 9 seem to contradict) Post 7 you say increasing resolution you are not limited by GPU, but in post 9 you say you are leaning on GPU. Which post is correct?

 

[geordiejc]

@AndreiD

Thanks for the link.



4.3Ghz on all 6 cores according his review, i wish i had more games to compare.

I think when it comes down to it for games, the GPU is always going to be the bottleneck and anything from Sandy bridge and upwards can do 1080/1440 with current gen GPU's

 

[geordiejc]

Thanks I understand if u can edit your post 7 that would help as it's not correct

 

[geordiejc]

You are spot on Panos i agree totally.

so 8700k is best for cs:go pro's with 240hz monitors 1024 x 768 black bars

I personally game at 1440p / 165hz with gsync with a 1080 ti and use ingame frame limiters so gsync is always working.

 

[geordiejc]

Fps limits occur for 2 reasons :

Engine limitations or a bottleneck.

 

[geordiejc]

I have TC: Ghost Recon

Test System:
8700k STOC / 4.9GHZ
Intel LGA1151 Testbeds
Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 7
MSI Z270 Gaming M7
16GB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3200 CL14
Samsung 960 Evo 500GB
Corsair Carbide Air 740
Corsair HX750i 750W
Corsair H115i
1080 Ti FE



My System
4770k @ 4.3
1080 Ti Stock / OC
DDR3 1600

STOC



O/C 2025Mhz +400 mem



It seems my haswell system is doing pretty well for itself albeit the FE card is a little slower than my stoc rog 1080 ti.

This is 2 games now i've compared my system performance against 8700k with 1080 ti's @ 1080p the 4770k beats the 8700k - which is not bad for a 2013 CPU with slower ram.

 

[geordiejc]

Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War III

Test System:

8700k
1080 FE



My system:

4770k @ 4.3Ghz
1080 Ti Stoc (Rog)



Suffered a loss here at 7fps / 12fps @ stoc / 4.9ghz respectfully.

 

[geordiejc]

You're still doing these comparisons when you clearly have an aftermarket, overclocked GPU?
I get that you're trying to justify your current system, but I did literally post a link above with all of the CPUs (3770K, 4790K, 7700K and 8700K) at 4.5Ghz, which should be significantly more accurate that benching by approximating a mango to a grapefruit.

I know you took the time to post the witcher 3 comparison, thank you.

I have an aftermarket GPU and noted that the last 2 benchmarks were vs FE cards and will be a little slower. Tthe first bench was 'like for like' both systems have 1080 ti OC strix (stoc). I also called out i put my card at stoc and oc. I'm not justifying - i'm doing a comparison with what little data i have. The hypothesis @Panos and i have is unless you game at high refresh rates @ 1080p its not advisable to upgrade yet.

I personally game @ 165hz/fps using gsync so i actually may benefit from the upgrade, but i game at 1440p. I need more 1440p benchmarks.

 

[geordiejc]

For more detail, according to that Digital Foundry review, the 8700K at 4.5Ghz compared to a 4790K at 4.5Ghz is:
38% faster in The Witcher 3
4% faster in The Division
7% faster in Assassin's Creed Unity
31% faster in Crysis 3
48% faster in Ashes of the Singularity
And if you look at the frametime graphs, it also gives you smoother frametimes, even in the games where the difference is minor.

Whether you think that difference is significant enough to warrant spending ~£700 on the 8700K+Z370 Mobo+DDR4, is up to you, but my annoyance was that comparing your own benches to reviewer ones isn't going to give you an accurate representation of the difference, hence it's always going to be a lot better to find a review that includes your CPU and go with that.

Thanks I wasn't aware there was an article!

 

[geordiejc]

Are you happy with your current performance?

My games are playable 80-120 fps @ 1440p game depending. As I have a 165hz monitor there's room for improvement . Just not sure if now is the time and sli isn't viable

 

[geordiejc]

Hopefully a YouTube'r will have the brains to do an ivy - kaby and everything in between review over loads of games and calculate overall fps difference in % to see where the value is. My money is on hardware unboxed.