HDMI-equipped models still running Zephyr 90-nm chips

RuMp3l4$k1n · 14 Aug 2007 at 22:04

Didn't see anything here about this before so here we go from IGN:
http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/812/812811p1.html

So thats different cooling and HDMI ports but still old chips (90-nm) not such a great deal so far it seems.

And from here you can see how the packaging is marked to let you know what your getting in the box, including the chip name so perhaps we will get some choice when the new chips eventually roll out.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/good-news/newer-xboxes-are-clearly-labeled-not-to-suck-288229.php

All in all a bit of a let down so far, anyone found pics on the new innards yet?

noob · 14 Aug 2007 at 22:35

I love to know when these Xboxs with HDMI ports will start appearing in the UK.

Kainz · 14 Aug 2007 at 23:02

Its a well known fact that HDMI enabled 360's won't have the .65nm chips until much later on. I spoke about it on Xboxic too. I certainly won't be rushing out to get an 'elite' let alone a HDMI enabled 360 once they arrive.

JBeck · 14 Aug 2007 at 23:48

Same here, it's still not worth the risk until they appear imo.

ramdor · 15 Aug 2007 at 10:36

InwardSinging said:
VGA will still produce a better picture than hdmi.

er? hdmi is digital, the same video data signals go over it as in dvi. It also has audio data.

If you think vga will give a better picture than hdmi then you must think vga link gives a better picture than a dvi-d (or the digital part of the dvi-i) link?

I would think that the encoding of the video signals, be it rgb/component/whatever to go over hdmi would give a way better image than an analogue vga cable that is susceptible to interference etc, even if it is lower bpp. When I last tried vga cables on lcd flat panels it looks way nasty when compared to dvi.

Richie.

Larnica · 15 Aug 2007 at 12:01

InwardSinging said:
Think he means the non elite versions.

VGA will still produce a better picture than hdmi.

Im not expert but Im pretty sure HDMI will give a better picture, not outstanding but still better :confused:

Metalface Mark · 15 Aug 2007 at 13:38

Larnica said:
Im not expert but Im pretty sure HDMI will give a better picture, not outstanding but still better

Americans have reported that the VGA gives a better picture than HDMI. The only real benefit of getting a HDMI equipped one is if your component or VGA will not do 1080p but hdmi will (as is the case with a few tv's).

Shamikebab · 15 Aug 2007 at 13:40

I could never tell the difference between DVI and VGA. It depends on your monitor/tv i think, some screens have very good VGA ports others don't. Samsung monitors i think are renowned for having very good quality VGA ports. In the end if there is a difference between VGA and HDMI (IQ wise) i think it will be miniscule and depending on your display.

Tony Williams · 15 Aug 2007 at 14:02

HDMI/DVI will probably give better picture than VGA and component, however it's probably barely noticeable.

Also remember that Digital > Angloge isn't always the case. Looks at watches!

ramdor · 15 Aug 2007 at 15:41

Also remember with hdmi, it will either work at 100%, or be totally borked, not somewhere in-between. You will not get get an ok-ish image. You'll get one with perfect picture quality or one with pixel loss/corruption.

With vga, you'll get anything from perfect to an ok-ish or worse image.

At least I think so

Richie.

Larnica · 15 Aug 2007 at 15:44

InwardSinging said:
Americans have reported that the VGA gives a better picture than HDMI. The only real benefit of getting a HDMI equipped one is if your component or VGA will not do 1080p but hdmi will (as is the case with a few tv's).

Is there still VGA connection on the elite or just HDMI?

Paranoid_Robot · 15 Aug 2007 at 16:03

I would expect the HDMI premiums here in the UK once the Elite ships but I'm just speculating.

All your getting with the Elite is a black console that doesn't look as nice as the white and a larger overpriced hard drive that's no use unless your wanting to download movies.

Wrathamon · 15 Aug 2007 at 16:10

Larnica said:
Is there still VGA connection on the elite or just HDMI?

The original video port is still there - for composite, VGA and component leads.

Wyrdo · 15 Aug 2007 at 16:13

Not this again..

The difference between HDMI and VGA is barely noticable, HDMI is not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

Paranoid_Robot · 15 Aug 2007 at 16:15

Wrathamon said:
The original video port is still there - for composite, VGA and component leads.

It's also there for the optical adapter that comes with the elite for those who need them (me).

"andy" · 15 Aug 2007 at 18:26

why does this even matter ?

its not like its important like with a pc cpu

i wouldnt let it make my decide between buying a console or not anyway

Wyrdo · 15 Aug 2007 at 19:01

andy said:
why does this even matter ?

Because it will run cooler which will also mean better reliability, hopefully.

Kainz · 15 Aug 2007 at 19:21

andy said:
why does this even matter ?

its not like its important like with a pc cpu

i wouldnt let it make my decide between buying a console or not anyway

It means everything to the 360. Infact it's more important then some pesky HDMI addition. Heat and a poor cooling design has plagued the 360 from the start. A cooler running cpu/gpu will be brilliant for MS because it makes their design flaw less apparent.

Princey · 15 Aug 2007 at 23:46

IMO VGA looks loads better than HDMI becuase I can run my 360 at my TVs native resolution of 1360x768 where was HDMI only allows me to run at 720p.

wannabedamned · 15 Aug 2007 at 23:57

As said in the thread already, VGA cannot possibly provide a better picture than HDMI.

HDMI works digitally, So the signal sent and recieved is ALWAYS identical and how it should be percieved, If your TV is incapable of HDMI or certain resolutions thats a different story completely.

VGA even if its the most expensive cable in the universe will have attenutation, even if its 0.001.

Yes the difference is negligable, But it's still true that HDMI is the most perfect video interface when usable.