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Helmet removal in shops and the law?

Discussion in 'Biker's Cafe' started by helpimcrap, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. helpimcrap

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jan 13, 2004

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    Location: Leicestershire

    What is it?

    I went into Sainsbury's and it's shop policy to remove for security to see your face. I did but asked them if they make people of religious persuasion take their head dresses off because they can't see their face.

    They said no because it infringes on their rights and helmets intimidate people.

    What's the law on this please? I've googled and cannot find much. I'm curious more than anything because it doesn't bother me removing it to make people feel better but when law is said I like to know who is right.
     
  2. insane200

    Soldato

    Joined: Aug 10, 2006

    Posts: 6,769

    Helmet for safety use is different to a Religious item of clothing tbh so they can and will ask you to remove it , just like a shop asking you to wear a T-shirt if you don't have one on, or shoes if your out bare foot, if you decline they can refuse to serve you.
     
  3. joey1211

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    Location: Aberwristwatch

  4. joey1211

    Mobster

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  5. Freeman

    Soldato

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    Seems to depend on the shop or petrol station.

    Sometimes I'm asked to remove my helmet, sometimes not. Generally I do though because I have my earplugs in and can't hear a thing.
     
  6. mattyg

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Jun 17, 2007

    Posts: 7,567

    For us it was a CCTV thing. If you ride off your a bloke in a helmet. we used to have the same policy at the pubs I worked at for baseballcaps etc. Not bothered about you putting it back on after you got in but we wanted CCTV in case of an incident
     
  7. helpimcrap

    Capodecina

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    Posts: 12,401

    Location: Leicestershire

    This is the line I don't get. The excuse was because they can't see my face so security. They can't with certain veils so same security rules should apply to all?

    I'm not anti religious or anything as each to their own and I was curious.

    I've seen 8 year old threads but obviously rules change often.
     
  8. Fireskull

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Oct 31, 2006

    Posts: 9,657

    Location: Eastleigh / Winchester

    AFAIK there isn't a law, its just policy that most petrol stations make up as and when they feel like it.

    Filled up at same petrol stations for years then one day you'll get someone that starts being awkward over the tannoy.
    Most annoying one was a shell garage, started an argument because he wanted me to remove my helmet to use PAY AT PUMP, of which I had already put in £15 before he turned off the pump.... Haven't been back since, I know they won't care but at least it makes me feel better over £100 of fuel a month is going elsewhere :p
     
  9. Yaayuh!

    Capodecina

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    I remove my helmet because it's not exactly a hassle and certainly not worth any agro.
     
  10. tom_e

    Man of Honour

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    Location: West mids

    It's their shop their rules as long as they're not discriminating against a protected characteristic then you can oblige or go elsewhere.
     
  11. IC3

    Sgarrista

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    If you live in a ghetto they'll ask you to remove it, around my area I never been declined service whilst wearing my helmet. Some parts of London and Luton I've been asked to remove the helmet though...
     
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2018
  12. Diddums

    Capodecina

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    Location: London

    Just take it off and stop being awkward.
     
  13. David Flett

    Wise Guy

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    Location: Aberdeenshire

    It’s for security purposes in and around the city where I live, seen a few pictures on doors.

    Please take off helmets

    And a picture of a Security camera.

    Especially see it at banks and petrol stations. but will depend where you go
     
  14. Captain

    Capodecina

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    Read the title and thought something else!
     
  15. Drangueos

    Mobster

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    It is really random, usually I fill up on the same petrol station, sometimes they ask to remove sometimes don't.

    But last year coming back from the Beach I went to a petrol station, filled up without removing my helmet and went to pay...
    Then the guy asked: why you don't have a number plate?
    me: what??? I do.. pointed to my bike just to find out that I lost it. (so no more plastic bolts)
     
  16. helpimcrap

    Capodecina

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    Location: Leicestershire

    It genuinely didn't bother me. I just asked a question. Apologies if that makes me awkward.
     
  17. ttaskmaster

    Sgarrista

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    Why should he have to change just to please someone else...? :p
     
  18. EVH

    Don

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    I always remove my helmet when going in shops, but typically go to pay-at-pump so I can leave it on when filling up.

    Never had a funny bugger on the speaker, asking me to remove it. Possibly because you have to pay before you fill?

    Question: do people with flip-up face helmets get away with just opening the face in shops? Always wondered if they’re more convenient than full face helmets.
     
  19. Kreeeee

    Man of Honour

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    My next helmet will be a flip up one as I find it such a faff removing my helmet just to fill up with fuel. I often seek out automated fuel stations to avoid needing to remove it.

    Glasses are always a pain and my ears are very sensitive so it hurts to put it on and take it off unless I buy a poorly fitting helmet that's too loose.
     
  20. Snaggle

    Mobster

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

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    Location: Northants

    If i am asked to remove it at a petrol station or pay before filling i go elsewhere . But i take it off for shops etc