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Help on deciding to buy 7970 or GTX 680

I'm all for keeping an open mind on what's best, even after reading several reviews and many forum posts, it's pretty 50/50 on what's considered best.

Will the 2Gb really be enough for 1440p at ultra settings with AA and high-res texture packs etc?

Apparently it is right now. Mind you, I say that, but I've seen 1.9gb usage in BF3 @ 1200p.

If I'm completely honest mate at that resolution both cards will struggle. Sure, most games will run perfectly well, but just don't expect huge FPS out of BF3 or things like ARMA II.

As for texture packs? there is a reason they didn't come "in the game" so to speak. I can make my 7970 running Fallout 3 crawl with the 1600p texture packs.

I think you are better off getting a single 7950. Overclock it to the given overclocks (sorry not up on the settings) and then if you need to add another one.


Wait for the 4 Gb GTX 680s then, those have even more vram.


And will cost £600. For £600 you can Crossfire two 7950s overclocked and they will absolutely decimate the 680 AND 7970.
 
I'm all for keeping an open mind on what's best, even after reading several reviews and many forum posts, it's pretty 50/50 on what's considered best.

Will the 2Gb really be enough for 1440p at ultra settings with AA and high-res texture packs etc?

At the moment it is basically 50/50 as I said earlier:

Near enough:

7970 v 680 @ 2560 X 1600 BF3

Toss a coin or just get the cheapest.

As you're planning on keeping the card for 2-3 years then it must make sense to go for the 3GB HD 7970.

You may not need more than 2GB at the moment but if you do in the future you can't add it to the GTX 680 but you'll be ready with the HD 7970.
 
I think I'm pretty much sold on the idea of a 7970 now. Just for the fact that I'd feel safer knowing I had 3GB VRAM and that I think I could pick one up for less cash than the 680.

Does it matter what version you buy though for performance, or once overclocked are they all pretty much the same. Was thinking of buying the following one, but I see the same card for sale at a higher factory clock.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-144-MS
 
I think I'm pretty much sold on the idea of a 7970 now. Just for the fact that I'd feel safer knowing I had 3GB VRAM and that I think I could pick one up for less cash than the 680.

Does it matter what version you buy though for performance, or once overclocked are they all pretty much the same. Was thinking of buying the following one, but I see the same card for sale at a higher factory clock.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-144-MS

At 1080p the 7950 is the champ. Quite simply as it can do everything the other two do at that resolution without sacrifice (IE it still sports 3gb vram).

I strongly urge you to avoid both the 680 and 7970 if you are gaming at 1920x1080 or 1900x1200 or whatever it is. The differences are impossible to see, so you gain absolutely nothing by spending £100 more.

The 7950 is also the champ should you need to turn to a multiple GPU set up.

What I mean is, when a game comes along that renders the core of the 7950 not good enough then the 7970 and 680 will most certainly suffer the same fate.

Not only that, but you can get a custom 7950 with an enormous cooler on (directcu II) for £100 less, and it will be quieter than both cards that use a blower cooler.


I don't think a price has been announced for the 4 gbs yet.

It doesn't take much working out if you understand how things work.

Nvidia use much more expensive vram than AMD. *THAT* is why they always offer less card to card.

3GB 580 cost £95 more than the 1.5gb version. Which BTW, would not exist if it did not serve a purpose (that purpose being two in SLI running three screens, and need the vram).

The 2gb 560ti cost around £80 more than the 1gb. So that wasn't worth buying either, not when the 2gb 6950 could be had for £170 or so, so it wasn't worth £45 more for a 2gb ti.

Adding 2gb of vram to an Nvidia card will very easily add AT LEAST £100 to the price. Their vram is far more expensive due to it being used on their high end server cards (Tesla) that NEED some sort of on the fly memory checking.

IE - servers can not BSOD. They need the ability to crash, then repair themselves on the fly without needing to be rebooted. This is why they use error correcting ram and so on.

Otherwise Yahoo and MSN would be offline regularly whilst the server is rebooted to recover from a BSOD.
 
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At 1080p the 7950 is the champ. Quite simply as it can do everything the other two do at that resolution without sacrifice (IE it still sports 3gb vram).

I strongly urge you to avoid both the 680 and 7970 if you are gaming at 1920x1080 or 1900x1200 or whatever it is. The differences are impossible to see, so you gain absolutely nothing by spending £100 more.

The 7950 is also the champ should you need to turn to a multiple GPU set up.

What I mean is, when a game comes along that renders the core of the 7950 not good enough then the 7970 and 680 will most certainly suffer the same fate.

Not only that, but you can get a custom 7950 with an enormous cooler on (directcu II) for £100 less, and it will be quieter than both cards that use a blower cooler.

Thanks, but I'm going to be be running at 1440p, so in that case the 7970 is the better choice I'm thinking.

Funny you mentioned, Fallout 3 earlier, that's the first game I plan on playing once I get this new rig built. So with that on a 2560x1440 screen with high-res packs, I think I'll be needing the extra gaming grunt of the 7970.
 
If you decide to go three screens and SLI or Crossfire the 7970 leads by quite a way.

No it doesn't - not saying this as a bait - but that's just factually incorrect. At present, it's better but it's not "quite a way".

In theory there should maybe be RAM issues on the 680 @ 3*1080p screens but there isn't.

I think all get a little caught up on VRAM.
 
Yeah that's for sure. FO3 becomes quite the sloth when you make it do things it wasn't designed to :)

Plus of course there's the overclocking headroom the 7970 has over the 7950.

Nice thing is though if you ever need a "cheap?" speed boost you can simply throw in a 7950. Can't do that with a 680 !
 
No it doesn't - not saying this as a bait - but that's just factually incorrect. At present, it's better but it's not "quite a way".

In theory there should maybe be RAM issues on the 680 @ 3*1080p screens but there isn't.

I think all get a little caught up on VRAM.

I think Nvidia slow down the side screens and lower the detail to make sure the middle one shows high frame counts.

I'd be right, too. It's very clever tbh.
 
That's good to know, but don't think my bank balance can take any more trauma after this purchase :D

As for what model of 7970, does it matter what factory clock it comes with or should they all perform pretty much the same once overclocked.

Thinking of getting the

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-144-MS

as it seems one of the most reasonably priced and is by a good make.

That card is fine, but in a few months time it will be a lot cheaper. If you are willing to wait then Id recommend doing that, otherwise buy it now and feel let down when the prices drop.
 
Might just ask my question in this thread.

I'm currently using a 5970 and tbh it aint great in bf3. to get a steady 90fps I have to play on medium, even then it can drop into the 50s and stutter badly when it does it. I want more fps because of my 120hz monitor.

I have a bequiet 750w power supply and Im torn between 2x 680 or 2x 7970. I can't see myself going triple monitor, but you never now!

If I got ATI i fear I'll have to upgrade my power supply though. What do you guys thinks?
 
That card is fine, but in a few months time it will be a lot cheaper. If you are willing to wait then Id recommend doing that, otherwise buy it now and feel let down when the prices drop.

Unfortunately this seems to be the way with most things. I've been holding off since around November (and saving my pennies) and think it's time to bite the bullet and just go for it.
 
Might just ask my question in this thread.

I'm currently using a 5970 and tbh it aint great in bf3. to get a steady 90fps I have to play on medium, even then it can drop into the 50s and stutter badly when it does it. I want more fps because of my 120hz monitor.

I have a bequiet 750w power supply and Im torn between 2x 680 or 2x 7970. I can't see myself going triple monitor, but you never now!

If I got ATI i fear I'll have to upgrade my power supply though. What do you guys thinks?

I'll tell you what I think. It sucks. You spent an absolute fortune on a card that really ought to run everything at massive FPS.

But you can't because BF3 has rendered your card useless.

This time around mate make sure to do your homework.

If you just "lost a card" due to it not having enough vram are you prepared to make that same costly mistake again?

Smart money is 7950 CF. Even the 3980x holds back 7970 CF.
 
I'll tell you what I think. It sucks. You spent an absolute fortune on a card that really ought to run everything at massive FPS.

But you can't because BF3 has rendered your card useless.

This time around mate make sure to do your homework.

If you just "lost a card" due to it not having enough vram are you prepared to make that same costly mistake again?

Smart money is 7950 CF. Even the 3980x holds back 7970 CF.

I beg your pardon?

You appear to be a very unpleasant person don't you!

I bought my 5970 at launch and it was served me well over 2 years. It still plays BF3 at roughly 60fps on High, I just want to get more fps because my monitor allows me to.

At which point have I not done my homework? This card has been very loyal and doesnt need replacing if I was happy with 60fps..which I no longer am. BFBC2 played at 120fps and I like that refresh. Secondly, I havent just "lost" my card due to VRAM limitations, as my mate has the 2GB edition and has similar issues.

Your obviously pent up about something, go calm yourself down or if your normally like this to people in the forum then grow the **** up!
 
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