Help on new build.

[Akagi]

Whoa whoa, tone it down guys come on xD we all have to start somewhere, and it can be very easy to learn quickly in this industry. (and it is essential to do so). The ghost is designed to be silent, whether or not it is is another matter, but he did say that he hasn't tested it yet. At no point did he guarantee that it is silent from personal experience.

Nobody answered the guy's question either...

No it will not wear out/degrade for a very very long time, just as with all intel CPU's.
I still have a P54CS rig around somewhere. Circa 1996. Still works.

I also had an 80286 circa 1982. Pretty sure that was still fine when I gave it to a fanboy as a trophy rolleyes as well, but it was unused for a few years

I have a Pentium 4 rig which I run without TIM when it is used very rarely... It is often handled without care and has had the pins bent and re-straigtened numerous times. (I use that PC when I teach people how to build one, and some people have butterfingers it would seem ) It also survived being powered on for a few minutes after the heatsink had fallen off XD - I took the heatsink off of an AMD Athlon XP once... Smoke... followed by a very hot, and very dead AMD cpu

What he was driving at is that though it is plenty enough for today's games and hardware, it will not offer performance high enough to handle the latest games and physical additions such as GPU's for as many years as the 3570K would, since the 3570K is a quad core, hugely overclockable enthusiast chip, whereas the i3 3220 is more of a half way house between value oriented chips and high performance chips.

 

[Bacon?]

You are a noob Bacon. I'm not saying you haven't learned anything in your time here, I just wish you would stop making out you know more than you do. You didn't mention llano or trinity for laptops, you will from now on i'm sure.

When you joined you were "wasting" peoples money spec'ing crap AMD based systems over intel. You also needed a massive amount of help spec'ing your own build and even putting it together was a mission.

I don't know why you are telling the OP that the Bitfenix Ghost is designed to be quiet. Yes it has soundproofing material but it also has a gapping hole in the ceiling of the case. The fractal R3/4 cases are enclosed and have sound proofing material........those cases are designed to be quiet. The ghost has some interesting features, like the hotswap bay but that is a very niche feature in my opinion. I'll stop waffling now before I end up writing your review on the Ghost for you

I didn't mention Trinity or Llano for laptops because the OP didn't want a laptop. I am actually about to buy a laptop with Trinity in it so I do know a fair amount about those systems since I will be purchasing one.
I remember what I used to spec which was pretty awful processor wise. I also remember specc'ing an i3 with a 7850 and you went against that idea.

As Acme has already said the Ghost is designed for silent operation, whether or not it has furfilled that role we will see. I am sure the R4 is a better case since like you said it is fully enclosed however it is also more expensive.

 

[Akagi]

I am sure the R4 is a better case since like you said it is fully enclosed however it is also more expensive.

I wish more people saw things this way. It is hopeless when someone says "Hey this £200 thing is better than that £50 thing!" and i'm just like... No... really?

Not a dig at you Bacon? or you honosuseri, just a general statement

 

[honosuseri]

Acme, it's just a bit of playful banter. That's nothing compared to the "abuse" Bacon gave Sashman over the Recon fan controller review fiasco.

Bacon has come a long way in the last 6 months, he is only a young lad. a lot of his spec's are now actually very good. I even said in another thread it was nice to see him get the Ghost case for free (to review) as a kind of reward for the help he gives others from his experiences.

I have helped a great deal with his first build and offered help/suggestions for his Ghost review. I'll do the same for anyone else on the forum if they want my help. The whole point of the forum is for us to help each other out

I did try to answer the OPs question. The Llano or Trinity APUs I really only like to suggest for laptops, if people are on a very very tight budget (i.e cant afford a decent GPU) for a gaming PC, Trinity is an option but I think the 1155 socket is a much better platform to be on.

There is lots of nice tech on the Z77 mobos. An i3 would be good for his needs but he might well regret "overspending" on the case rather than using the cash towards the i5K which can be overclocked. The i3 and i5 have quicksync support which really does help with video encoding by using the CPUs IGP. Lucid MVP on the Z77 mobos can switch between the IGP and GPU as needed and during gaming even use the IGP to help boost the GPUs performance.

The OP said he could wait a few weeks. Plenty of time for him to get an understanding of the tech and components to balance out a build for himself. Any questions he has we will help best we can and of course when it comes to build it, it's comforting to know there are people who can help him through......I'm sure Bacon would agree.

I wish more people saw things this way. It is hopeless when someone says "Hey this £200 thing is better than that £50 thing!" and i'm just like... No... really?

Not a dig at you Bacon? or you honosuseri, just a general statement

That's why I suggested the Z9 case. It was cheaper but has lots of extras. Bacon used it for his first case, now he has the Ghost coming he can reuse the 4 120mm fans, the P4/8 extension if needed and possibly rip the fan controller and digital temp display out too. I look forward to seeing his review on the Ghost, I'm sure he will now mention that it is not an enclosed case. As he is fairly new to building PCs that's something he might not have thought of.