Heroes - a bit of an odd thread.

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Ok, so I am an entire season behind really but I just can't get in to it again.

I loved it at the start, but something really has put me off the episodes I am currently on. Is it just me or is the amount of characters that are dying simply insane at times? The amount of Nicky clones there is apparently - I don't know, I really wanna like the show again but finding it hard....

I have heard a lot of people complain about it, but is it for those reasons or? :)
 
It did go through a bit of a crap patch, at which point I lost interest for a while. Got back into it again a month or two ago and it gets good again, so I'd recommend sticking with it.
 
Season 1 is fantastic, season 2 is just drawn out boredom, the first half of season 3 is pretty dull then picks up at the end.

I have it on good authority that season 4 is MUCH better.
 
I am in the same position and am undecided whether to stick it and catch up once again with the seasons; mentioning the characters I also found that often way too many new ones were introduced which move the story away from the originals. I'm all for the storyline evolving but there was a point where the seemed to have lost touch a bit and got carried away with all the new 'abilities'.
 
The problem I have with it is that they gave Peter "super" super powers way too early, and it was a mistake to take them away from him. All i wanted to see was baddass Peter from the future, along with samurai sword weilding Hiro...
 
Season 4 looks promising... I just got to see the first episode and was drawn into it.

I saw a bit of season 2 first before I watched any heros at all and didn't think much of it - then someone gave me season 1 and I was hooked, but I still can't stand seasons 2 and 3 - the odd good episode aside most of its utter tosh...
 
It's gone through similar metamorphosis to Lost - in order to simplify things for wider audience while maintaining "wrappability" on cue in case of sudden cancellation, they dropped most of the unanswered and open ended elements from different writer teams from original, first season which made the series big. And because the original audience wowed by the whole "WTF" vibe started pulling out, they basically added the immediate "did I miss something" elements on per episode basis, which might make no sense in light of everything else in previous seasons, but hey - as long as audience find it weird and has something to speculate about over the net, right?

But of course there is only that many "I already had like 6 names" Nikis or positive turned negative turned positive turned negative, flying, non flying, loving son, hating son, good brother, bad brother, alive, blown up, alive again, from now, from future, from now again, cloned, himself, not himself Petrellis you can impose on viewers in five or six years before everyone goes "screw this, at least CSI:Saskatchewan or NCIS:Little Ponds, Mississippi makes sense from beginning to the end".
 
Anyone know what happened to that irish chick that went with peter into the future in season 2, got taken away and we never heard anything else, that's one loose end that bugs the hell out of me.
 
SixTwoSix said:
Anyone know what happened to that irish chick that went with peter into the future in season 2, got taken away and we never heard anything else, that's one loose end that bugs the hell out of me.
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Caitlin was written off in a strike action instead of being saved by Peter and returned to Ireland as planned for S02E15/16. It is confirmed we will never find out what happened to her.
 
This was so great in the beginning the reality of it and everything then it seemed to lose the plot. Over the top plot elements "Oh noes its the end of the world.....again!". "Oh noes they has OMGWTFBBQ powers".

It has all that and they have all this huge build and yet nothing really happens, it has pretensions of being this realistic drama of real people with real powers then has all this over the top dramatic ideas. It doesnt deliver on either, the human drama is forgotten and none of the people actually act like real people. The over the top drama is just usually, what someone said, or a five second clip of something that might or might not happen in the future.

Thats not to mention the billion plot holes, the writers cant even bother to have it make sense.
 
I also think it has one major flaw, their is no major arc, in sci-fi with shows like B5, Lost, Fringe, BSG, SG...hell even mainstream stuff like Prison Break, there is an overall arc storyline that keeps interest. Heroes has nothing like this, has a few mini-arcs per season as though they think we all have ADHD and anything more substantial and we'll turn off.

Basically, Heroes needs an arc :)
 
It does though, the end of the world. After season one and that end of the world was, I think resolved, they've had several new imminent probable future end of the worlds.

It just needs to stop having a ton of plot holes and characters that turn on a dime, so know one knows or cares who they are or what is going on because anything can change in absurd manners every episode.
 
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Not really...it's season contained arcs, and they're boring, it's always end of the world and you always know everything is going to be alright. It's the same poor storytelling ST:TNG suffered from, you always knew everything would be ok by the end of the episode.

I'm talking about having an all encompassing arc for the whole series, similar to the shows mentioned above.
 
Personally I blame the Writers Strike for messing up a load of the serieses I watched -

Heroes -> super short Season 2
House -> Shortened *but still awesome*
Scrubs -> Shortened/mixed up episode order
Prison Break -> Turned into fail
 
Sash said:
Personally I blame the Writers Strike for messing up a load of the serieses I watched -

Heroes -> super short Season 2
House -> Shortened *but still awesome*
Scrubs -> Shortened/mixed up episode order
Prison Break -> Turned into fail
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To be fair, Prison Break turned to fail season 3. 1 and 2 were awesome the rest, not so.
 
Fubsy said:
The problem I have with it is that they gave Peter "super" super powers way too early, and it was a mistake to take them away from him. All i wanted to see was baddass Peter from the future, along with samurai sword weilding Hiro...
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It wasn't just peter, it was peter, hiro and sylar. After the first series they had to keep making up silly ways for those 3 characters to lose their abilties in some way or form.
The only reason i watched some of season 2 was to perv on maya :D
 
Sash said:
Thats when the writers strike was, was it not?
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Not sure, they should have just stopped at the end of season 2 and been done with it, it dragged on too much and went stupid, never actually finished watching the last season, same with 24, got bored with watching it.
 
I loved the whole Hiro/Kensai plot from season 2. Honestly I think I enjoyed two all the way through even though others didn't like it.

Season 3 had it's individual moments, (there were some pretty cool bits with Sylar, but even then they did so many 360s with his character I don't even know who he is any more!) but really it went off on too many tangents and left too many plot holes.

If they have any sense with season 4 then they'll forget season 3 ever happened and just move on from it. I know there's a pretty big part from the end of 3 that's integral to 4 but so far I like how they are handling it.
 
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