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How do we sort our trains?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Gigabit, Aug 10, 2018.

  1. jaybee

    Mobster

    Joined: Jul 10, 2008

    Posts: 4,825

    I use South Western daily. Since they took over from South West Trains last summer things have gone down hill. I pay 5k a year for my ticket and due to the times I am able to travel due to flexible hours, I can always get a seat. It has become harder in the AM though.

    When things run to time and work, the service is good and covers good distance for the time on my route. The trouble seems to be that they cannot cope with the slightest issue as everything runs at capacity. When a tiny issue occurs it quickly becomes a "try to avoid using SW at all today". Often it takes all of the next day to recover due to trains out of sequence.

    The main annoyance is the constant "due to congestion" excuses which contribute to 10 -15 minute delays daily, both ways. Delay repay is awful and broken and unfair.

    I've looked at getting a motorbike again but it wouldn't be any quicker plus risk, hassle, cba to stay alert for 3 hours a day, wet and cold winters etc.
     
  2. Gigabit

    Mobster

    Joined: Apr 9, 2012

    Posts: 11,768

    I think every train I get on sits for a solid 3-4 minutes outside Waterloo waiting for a platform.
     
  3. mid_gen

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Dec 20, 2004

    Posts: 8,279

    Location: Düsseldorf

    There is room for both. In Germany you have Deutsche Bahn running the core public service, it's cheap, regular and efficient. Then there are private operators in addition, like the Cologne Hamburg Express, Flixbus now run trains, and international operators like Thalys that go to Paris.

    Paying 5k GBP for a point to point season ticket is a joke. 3k EUR gets you a 12 month completely unlimited rail pass across the whole country.

    Local passes usually include benefits like being able to take an additional passenger with you for free on evenings and weekends.

    Oh and when I pay 15 quid for a ticket to the local Bundesliga team, it includes train and tram travel to and and from the stadium.

    Even my Gamescom ticket for next week includes the train ticket to Cologne and back.
     
  4. D.P.

    Caporegime

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 29,965

    5K GBP, holy cow.

    In Switzerland, 3800CHF (about 3K sterling even with that awful exchange rate) gets you an annual transport pass valid on all railways, buses, trams and boats. There is an apology announcement when a train is 1 minute late, no joke.

    There was an announcement a few months back that the swiss railways accidentally made too much profit, so for the rest of the years costs have been lowered. The excess profit that has been made has to be invested in infrastructure.

    I would love to see a UK train operator have to lower their prices because their profit margin was too high, and apologize when their trains were literally 1 minute late.


    And like mid-glen, when i buy tickets to events I get free transport. For many, this is country wide so you can be on a 6 hour train ride for your 20CHF entry to a running race etc. If you stay in a hotel you often get completely free local transport as well.
     
  5. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 46,542

    Location: Plymouth

    A season ticket from plymouth to London is even worse, just under £20k for standard class, or £38k for first...

    Admittedly you'd have to be crazy to do the daily travel for a standard working day, but still...
     
  6. Freakbro

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 29, 2010

    Posts: 14,669

    Location: Lincs

    WTF....I just looked that up and yep £19,640 for an annual season ticket from Plymouth to London...******* hell :eek:
     
  7. Gigabit

    Mobster

    Joined: Apr 9, 2012

    Posts: 11,768

    My issue is it is very difficult to see where the blame lies on certain things. Is it Network Rail or the TOC. When my train sits outside Waterloo for five minutes waiting for a platform whose ****-up is that? It’s so frustrating as I can see the station but still end up being late.
     
  8. b0rn2sk8

    Mobster

    Joined: Mar 9, 2003

    Posts: 4,177

    Aside from the recent and now largely resolved issues with Northern and Themes link, the vast majority of the issues are cause by faults on the network which are maintained by network rail. There are also a lot of delays which are nobody's fault like trespass, people driving into rail bridges and suicides.

    The trains themselves are pretty reliable these days. Hell even when there are strikes on Greater Anglia they roll out all of their back office staff to man the trains so they can run a full service, can't complain there....

    Today I was delayed home due to something getting caught in the overhead wires, not really something I can hold Great Northern to but I will still get my delay repay. I can certainly moan that it took network rail over 6 hours to start running services again but not exactly their fault as such today.
     
  9. D.P.

    Caporegime

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 29,965

    There are direct comparisons to other countries with nationalized railways that offer better and cheaper services with greater efficiency
     
  10. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 46,542

    Location: Plymouth

    Which report are you basing this on? The most recent eu rmms report doesn't support the better or greater efficency arguments, and uk railways are some of the busiest passenger railways in the eu. Fares in the eu are cheaper, but their railways are not as well used by passengers.

    https://www.raildeliverygroup.com/media-centre/press-releases/2017/469771615-2017-02-11.html
     
  11. Orionaut

    Soldato

    Joined: Aug 2, 2012

    Posts: 6,523


    so £50/railmile/Year. (Or thereabouts)

    How does that compare with other annual season ticket prices on other shorter routes?
     
  12. krooton

    Capodecina

    Joined: May 9, 2004

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    Location: Leafy outskirts of London

    Well my ticket is a 12 mile one (Wimbledon to Weybridge).

    So 24 miles a day, 8,760 per year if traveling every day.

    £1,940 for an annual, so 22p per rail mile. (unless I worked that our wrong)
     
  13. Orionaut

    Soldato

    Joined: Aug 2, 2012

    Posts: 6,523

    Your definition of rail mile is different to mine. You are doing total railmiles over a year assuming a given number of journeys, I am using total Cost of ticket/length of one return journey, so your ticket is nearer £80/Railmile/Year by my definition. A good bit more expensive in fact than the longer journey. (Which is what I was expecting ;) )
     
  14. BowdonUK

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Jan 17, 2016

    Posts: 2,141

    What as privatisation done for the rail industry in UK?

    I don't use the trains. But everytime I see them mentioned its always prices going up, or train capacity at the maximum.

    What actual investments are the companies making in the trains? Why can't they either buy bigger trains or buy more trains to ease capacity?
     
  15. Dolph

    Man of Honour

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    Location: Plymouth

    The problem is the restrictions are on the track, not rolling stock, and that is nationally owned. The main ways to increase capacity are to build new lines and improve signalling etc, which has nothing to do with the tocs and is the sole domain of network rail.
     
  16. StriderX

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    Not sure how you solve that... you can't really have free reign on something like rail lines, there has to be a rather strict ruleset so there isn't any stupid divergences in the tracks ability to host competitor carts or multiple lines making a mess of things.
     
  17. Dolph

    Man of Honour

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    Location: Plymouth

    A quick look at things like HS2 shows the single biggest problem with investing in the rails. Everyone wants it from a distance, no one wants it actually near them.

    People then moan about lack of investment, completely missing the reason why.
     
  18. FTM

    Soldato

    Joined: Dec 10, 2003

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    Location: South Shields

    poach the controllers from India..they seem to manage a far busier network far more efficiently!
     
  19. Gigabit

    Mobster

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    Well they don’t as they don’t own the trains.
     
  20. Gigabit

    Mobster

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    There have been more strikes in the short history of the SWR franchise than on the entire BR network in the last decade of its life.