How long does it take for people to become addicted to nicotine?

[Dogoid]

I know non-smokers who aren't anti-smokers.

What I was insinuating, and being patronising about, is that your warped view of addiction is down to you being very anti-smoking, which is different to just a person who does not smoke.

It's a like a person who has chosen to lead a life of celibacy calling people with normal sex-lives addicts.

Yes, smoking is bad for you, and technically offer nothing positive, but it can still be an enjoyable thing if done in moderation.

Someone living in the countryside who smokes 2 cigs a day will still have better lungs than a non-smoker living in a big city.

we were never talking about health, but addiction and attitude towards smoking. if you want a health debate start a new thread.

i said i was against smoking, not anti, as anti would suggest activist. i said i was against smoking , as a concept i am, and so is everyone on this planet. no one wants to smoke , the people who tell you they like smoking and find it enjoyable, are the ones fooling themselves just to justify smoking more and to save face.

the most dishonest people on the planet are lawyers and smokers, and that's because smokers are lying to themselves everyday , at least lawyers are only 9-5 and have weekends off.

 

[krooton]

no one wants to smoke , the people who tell you they like smoking and find it enjoyable, are the ones fooling themselves just to justify smoking more and to save face.

You have proof to back this up?

You can't making assumptions about EVERYONE just to back your own view.

Smoking is nice, it's a drug, and most drugs are nice, which is why people do them.

In moderation, and for a set amount of time, it isn't as damaging as people say, a concept that can apply to most drugs.

3 cigs, every other weekend, for 5 years, will have an rather negligible negative impact on one's life.

 

[Tefal]

the people who tell you they like smoking and find it enjoyable, are the ones fooling themselves just to justify smoking more and to save face.

I like to have the odd ciggy on a night out, usually scrounge them off others though as i don't buy any. Not great taste the next day but it's nice at the time. so probably only have 2-4 per month, although i do like a cigar on special occasions.

 

[Dogoid]

Smoking is nice, it's a drug

smoking is not a drug, nicotine is the drug. are you saying that nicotine is nice?

 

[Tefal]

smoking is not a drug, nicotine is the drug. are you saying that nicotine is nice?

the effect is quite pleasant, calms the nerves.

 

[krooton]

smoking is not a drug, nicotine is the drug. are you saying that nicotine is nice?

You know what I mean though.

Yes, the effects of nicotine is pleasant, hence why people do it.

Addictive substances by definition tend to be pleasurable to take.

Being able to say no when you don't feel like something, even though you might say yes another day, means it isn't an addiction.

Addiction is need, want != need.

 

[krooton]

the effect is quite pleasant, calms the nerves.

The buzz is pretty damn good after sex, I always thought it was a movie cliché, hahaha

 

[Tefal]

The buzz is pretty damn good after sex, I always thought it was a movie cliché, hahaha

this is why I hate having a smoke detector above my bed in halls

 

[Dogoid]

You know what I mean though.

Yes, the effects of nicotine is pleasant, hence why people do it.

Addictive substances by definition tend to be pleasurable to take.

Being able to say no when you don't feel like something, even though you might say yes another day, means it isn't an addiction.

Addiction is need, want != need.

that's the most ridiculous collection of sentences in sentence history. im not even going to attempt an attack on that, as its ridiculousness will be so bloody obvious to everyone reading it , its not needed .

 

[krooton]

that's the most ridiculous collection of sentences in sentence history. im not even going to attempt an attack on that, as its ridiculousness will be so bloody obvious to everyone reading it , its not needed .

 

[romperstomper]

Why is it that it seems so few people can accept that there are people who compleatly understand the risks of smoking, and still want to smoke because they enjoy it.

Because it effects other people ,your walking behind someone in town puffing away and its all blowing back on people behind ,or walking past everyone standing outside their places of work /pubs blowing smoke at you as you pass . Or your enjoying a scenic view and someone stands next to you with a fag
I don't won't to breath in your smoke or stink like you do !

 

[Tefal]

Because it effects other people ,your walking behind someone in town puffing away and its all blowing back on people behind ,or walking past everyone standing outside their places of work /pubs blowing smoke at you as you pass . Or your enjoying a scenic view and someone stands next to you with a fag
I don't won't to breath in your smoke or stink like you do !

I'm all for smoking pubs, just stick a sing on the door this is a smoking establishment if you don't like it don't enter.

would solve the 2nd hand smoke problem, also only employ people who don't mind the smoke.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Afaik Nicotine is the most effective substance/drug on the planet. The research was done years ago by the US as they were worried about getting 100000's of ex-servicemen back from Vietnam addicted to heroin. Afair, their research concluded that nicotine was very highly addictive and a user would need only three cigaretes to become addicted whereas it would require six with heroin to become addicted.

The pleasure that people get is satisfying their withdrawal symptoms.

As for the amount, my older brother smoked only three a week but could not do without them until he went on a course to help him. Even at that low level he was still addicted.

 

[firthy15]

It depends on the person, some people become addicted after just one cig, others can smoke all they're lives and not be addicted.

 

[krooton]

Because it effects other people ,your walking behind someone in town puffing away and its all blowing back on people behind ,or walking past everyone standing outside their places of work /pubs blowing smoke at you as you pass . Or your enjoying a scenic view and someone stands next to you with a fag
I don't won't to breath in your smoke or stink like you do !

So that means you have no problem with people smoking in their own homes?

I only ever smoke in my house, I can't be bothered with leaving a club to go stand in the cold for a cig.... because I am not addicted.

 

[AGD]

Why is it that it seems so few people can accept that there are people who compleatly understand the risks of smoking, and still want to smoke because they enjoy it.

I have no problem with that - it's just easier to understand the risks if you know someone who has died from, say, lung cancer.

I don't know the case here so I won't comment but I'm sure there are lots of people who know about lung cancer and heart disease and think they'll take the risk. Then when they are in hospital and very sick they regret it. It's quite hard for humans to take that kind of long-term perspective.

Personally I just wouldn't smoke because of all the money you spend.

 

[krooton]

Personally I just wouldn't smoke because of all the money you spend.

This is the main bit for me.

As both my gf and housemate smoke, I don't like to see the cash burnt away quite so much.

So I did some digging and found a way to reduce the cost the 33%.

This doesn't mean they smoke more in any way, I ration them out to them, hahaha, but it means our household saves about £150 a month.

 

[MHayes]

Cannabis is addictive despite what people say. I use to smoke it everyday and you do build a psychological dependancy on it. And virtualy all the heavy weed smokers I know say the same thing.

that is a different subject so lets not go there in this thread, but I watch TV everyday, I am bored without it yet I don't claim TV is chemically addictive, same with weed. It just gives instant happyness with minimal effort, you get addicted to that, like gambling also or bunjy jumping, anything enjoyable is addictive to an extent, weed is very enjoyable and easy. nicotine is actually an addictive chemical like caffeine or coke. THC is not.

either way my other example was hooker pipes, dont taste as nice as the green but my point is it has no thing addictive in it, people do it purely for the taste. IMO that proves that smoking isn't about the addiction, it is possible to actually like it. OMG shock horror.

I am not suggesting anyone start smoking though because it is dangerous and addictive but I weigh up the pros and cons and and the occasional fag while I am young is fine. unlikely to do harm and I enjoy it.

 

[AGD]

Isn't the weed thing partly social? It's fun to do it in a group - like going out to get drunk together.

 

[krooton]

that is a different subject so lets not go there in this thread, but I watch TV everyday, I am bored without it yet I don't claim TV is chemically addictive, same with weed. It just gives instant happyness with minimal effort, you get addicted to that. nicotene is actually an addictive chemical like caffeine or coke. THC is not.

Psychological addictiveness can be more dangerous than chemical ones.

I've seen a few people throw their lives away because of heavy weed use. Relationships broke down, lack of motivation to do anything, dead end jobs, all quite sad.