How should the NHS deal with the obesity epidemic? Lost battle?

crinkleshoes said:
Also, the population is exploding only throwing more people in to these lower economic classes... At the very least, limit to a single child.
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So a rich person has more of a right to children than a poor person?

A child that loses the lottery of life and is born to a poor mother is worthless, human waste?

I'm glad you're not in charge of sorting out this obesity epidemic, mate. I'm not sure you've thought it through all that rationally. Eugenics became a bit unfashionable at the start of the last century.
 
InKursion said:
So you're happy to send off little Tarquin to be a street-sweeper, once all the undesirable Morlocks have been starved and killed off?

Go on then, you first.
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There'll always be a lowest class in this this economic system (that's not going away any time soon), I don't want rid... I just want a steady growth that's in line with the rest of society... Not the explosion that were caught in the middle of
 
InKursion said:
Where are you getting chicken breasts for £2? :eek:

Even at Tesco value chicken here in London is nearing £3.50-4.00 a pack.

Vegetables 50p for a pack? Try £2.00 for the stir fry chef's selection.

If you're buying frozen chicken breast and frozen vegetables, the nutrition is not the same, really.

But yes, I get your point. However many people consider this a time-consuming thing that doesn't fit well with their busy/stressful lifestyles. Sad but true. Also your portion is decidedly for one person: if you're trying to feed a family on a working-class wage, that 'simple and cheap' stir fry becomes a £10-15 meal, just for one day.
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Morrisons my man. £2 for a pack of diced breasts, not frozen I bought 10 packs. Was a special so I pounced. My portion was really for two people but I have the whole thing myself :D All of it!

I know my example was extreme, but it's certainly cheaper in the long run to cook rather than buy oven food or takeout all the time. And far healthier.
 
OhEsEcks said:
Only because of the way the Nazi's implemented it. At the moment it's only the God squad standing in the way of designer babies.
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Eugenics became unfashionable even within the respectable parts of the British establishment, quite separate from Nazism and other human atrocities. It's part of an old Darwinist social ideology that, frankly, was old-hat several decades after it came to prominence. Plus there are plenty of other theories now about the preservation and improvement of the race: a slow, steady progress and refinement has been called into question. Mutation theory, for one.

I really don't think it is appropriate to value someone's life on the economic standing of their parents. Everyone should be given a fair chance. If you are going to talk about population control, talk about it outside of the class context. Also I don't think forcing the proles to have less kids is going to solve an obesity problem that is just as much to do with modern lifestyles, modern dietary habits, and the quality of mass-produced food as much as anything else. The HFCS industry is doing just as much damage as people in council-estates reproducing, for example.
 
regulus said:
Morrisons my man. £2 for a pack of diced breasts, not frozen I bought 10 packs. Was a special so I pounced. My portion was really for two people but I have the whole thing myself :D All of it!

I know my example was extreme, but it's certainly cheaper in the long run to cook rather than buy oven food or takeout all the time. And far healthier.
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I don't think people with a strapped budget are always buying expensive micro-wave meals or takeaways... my point was more to do with the nutritional aspects of their diet. Vegetables and frequent portions of fruit are seen as superfluous, 'extras', luxury goods, out of the budget, etc. What you get is lots of oven cooking with a distinctly unbalanced and rather non-nutritional character. Just meat and potato, for example, cutting out the greens that are perceived as 'expensive' extras. A stir fry isn't really a great example, cause you're paying mostly for flavour and expensive imported goods, rather than anything nutritionally beneficial. But anyway... got to love the chilli and ginger sauce ;)
 
InKursion said:
Eugenics became unfashionable even within the respectable parts of the British establishment, quite separate from Nazism and other human atrocities. It's part of an old Darwinist social ideology that, frankly, was old-hat several decades after it came to prominence. Plus there are plenty of other theories now about the preservation and improvement of the race: a slow, steady progress and refinement has been called into question. Mutation theory, for one.
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The British establishment are hardly the pinnacle of decisions on things. Many countries already having screening policies that have reduced the number of occurrences of genetic problems.

It seems that any time genetic engineering is brought up people are quick to dismiss it because "LOL NAZIS!".
 
regulus said:
In my opinion, eating well is quite cheap. Far cheaper than eating ****. Right now I'm making a stir fry. The vegetables was 50p in a pack, chicken breasts £2, the sauce 80p. £3.30 in total. If I ordered a pizza tonight, £10+

You can literally eat healthy for £30 a week if you shop around.

Again, it's laziness and lack of education.
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Yeah but a lazy person would just buy something like this http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/groceries/index.jsp?bmUID=1343328459171 and get 2 pizza's for less than the price of one of your meals.
 
InKursion said:
I don't think people with a strapped budget are always buying expensive micro-wave meals or takeaways... my point was more to do with the nutritional aspects of their diet. Vegetables and frequent portions of fruit are seen as superfluous, 'extras', luxury goods, out of the budget, etc. What you get is lots of oven cooking with a distinctly unbalanced and rather non-nutritional character. Just meat and potato, for example, cutting out the greens that are perceived as 'expensive' extras. A stir fry isn't really a great example, cause you're paying mostly for flavour and expensive imported goods, rather than anything nutritionally beneficial. But anyway... got to love the chilli and ginger sauce ;)
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We're not really talking about people strapped for cash here, we're discussing fat people and their dietary habits. I'm sure most overweight people don't find themselves in financial dire straights anyway.

The fact that you claim people see vegetables or fruit as extra luxury goods as 'superfluous' is worrisome and probably indicative of a wider problem. I'm willing to bet that they'll find money for soda's crisps and beer while harping on about how expensive greens are.

And yes, chili and ginger De-Vine. :)
 
As for the question of why some people get huge and not do anything about it, for a lot of people putting on a ton of weight is a symptom of other problems, depression, low self esteem etc. Personally I got up to 22.5 stone before I finally woke up one day and decided I didn't want to hit 30 and be this fat, I honestly think I gained the wait as a defence mechanism, I had been cheated on in a relationship and turned to food for comfort, you also don't risk being hurt when you're that size since obviously no-one wants anything to do with you romantically when you're that size.

At the beginning of last year was when I had my wakeup call and decided to do something about it, I'm now down to about 13 and a half stone and still dropping weight and working on self improvement.

To be honest I doubt you'll find a single obese person who actually likes or enjoys being that way.
 
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